Unions ...... Good Or Bad??

Sam C. --- you need to slow down as you are digging yourself deeper into coming across as an obnoxious and conceited person with every new post on this thread. Your line of reasoning has so many holes in it that it makes Swiss cheese look like a solid piece of steel.

Just in your latest post you stealthily replace working hard with being 'efficient' when talking about management. Again, I will refer back to your statement, where you claim that not only truck drivers, but 'every business' doesn't work as hard as they used to.

"Truckers today don't work as hard as they did then. The same goes for every business."

Why do you keep switching your arguments when it comes time to shine some logic on them? Please explain away, my feelings will not be hurt.

As someone who visits this site for information on trucking, I find this thread the most useless eyesore on the site. it's got absolutely nothing to do with trucking, offers nothing but personal political opinion, and has zero benefit to Trucking Truth. I really wish Brett would delete this thread so it wouldn't keep popping up at the top of the forum. Those of you keeping it going are doing yourselves a disservice.

Honestly folks, do you really think you're going to convert others on this site to your politics or point of view?

The original question "Are unions good or bad?" was ambiguous and unanswerable too. Do you really think there's a black and white answer to that question?

What's next here?

1. The best flavored ice cream! Chocolate or Vanilla?

2. Boxers or Briefs?

3 Apple or Mac?

Jeez.....

RI Red ... here is a thought, you don't have to read this thread! No one is forcing you to. And you are right, driver pay has nothing to do with trucking, silly me.

RI Red stamps his foot down:

As someone who visits this site for information on trucking, I find this thread the most useless eyesore on the site. it's got absolutely nothing to do with trucking, offers nothing but personal political opinion, and has zero benefit to Trucking Truth.

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The original question "Are unions good or bad?" was ambiguous and unanswerable too. Do you really think there's a black and white answer to that question?

Red, this topic has become what we call "Popcorn". The rest of us just watch as the continuing Participants just beat each other up. Actually, the original question does have something to do with trucking. Until freight deregulation in 1979, the Teamsters union was a powerful force not only in truck transport but in national politics overall. Trade unions do have a history of improving conditions and pay for the working person. The debate now is whether unions are really necessary. I'm not rehashing any of the history here, but to say there are still transportation unions, as well as non-union companies.

Tyler Durden's original question, "Unions .... good or bad?" is a great question for this forum. Gee - 22 pages of discussion. However, as with most topics that can get almost emotional, we have people getting "personal" now. That's not so good.

Does anyone have cheddar popcorn?

Why do you keep switching your arguments when it comes time to shine some logic on them? Please explain away, my feelings will not be hurt.

How am I flip flopping? Being efficient is part of being a good worker. A hard worker. Being a hard worker means that you don't waste time or cut corners. You come in every day and do the best job that you can.

How has every business made work easier? Technology! Like I said, at 1 point in mcds existence, they actually had people flip burgers and make patties. Then the figured out a way to replace people with faster machines. Pre-made frozen patties replaced the guy who had to make them. A top and bottom grill replaced the need more multiple people to flip burgers. Every business has been affected by technology. It is easier today than it was 25 years ago to do anything.

Why do close deserve huge paychecks? Because the owners of the companies want the best people running them. How do you get the best? You pay them well... Think of it the same as Walmart drivers. Walmart doesn't want the shlub who has a bad record or some newbie out of school. They want the best. They don't need to run a cdl mill like the others because people are dying to work for them. Why? Because they pay top dollar.

How do I know you can't manage your truck? That's pretty easy, 1 because anytime someone talks lease everyone here freaks out about how they will loose their ass. 2 I drive these roads, same as you, and see people blow by me speeding non stop in their trucks. You can't even follow the simplest of rules on the roadways. Why are you in such a hurry? You have more than enough time to get to your 90 if you plan it right.

RI Red stamps his foot down:

As someone who visits this site for information on trucking, I find this thread the most useless eyesore on the site. it's got absolutely nothing to do with trucking, offers nothing but personal political opinion, and has zero benefit to Trucking Truth.

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The original question "Are unions good or bad?" was ambiguous and unanswerable too. Do you really think there's a black and white answer to that question?

Red, this topic has become what we call "Popcorn". The rest of us just watch as the continuing Participants just beat each other up. Actually, the original question does have something to do with trucking. Until freight deregulation in 1979, the Teamsters union was a powerful force not only in truck transport but in national politics overall. Trade unions do have a history of improving conditions and pay for the working person. The debate now is whether unions are really necessary. I'm not rehashing any of the history here, but to say there are still transportation unions, as well as non-union companies.

Tyler Durden's original question, "Unions .... good or bad?" is a great question for this forum. Gee - 22 pages of discussion. However, as with most topics that can get almost emotional, we have people getting "personal" now. That's not so good.

Does anyone have cheddar popcorn?

I like my popcorn buttered, and maybe a little salt. I think this thread however is salty enough. I also like facts in my posts. Not sure I saw any on those in this thread. even in the beginning regarding unions, with the exception of Brett's graphs/etc. which while informative, could never have answered Tyler's original post, which could only have been answered by himself (he posted no information on the union dues, an benefits he'd have secured from whatever company he was interested in.) The history of unions in trucking would be of much value at this point- only whether the union that Tyler was interested in signing on with had the ability to be a strong voice for workers at thart particular company, provided an advantage in regards to pay in relation to the dues he'd be putting up. Since this varies across the entire industry, do you think a clear cut answer was going to be reached?

pass the salt....

RI Red ... here is a thought, you don't have to read this thread! No one is forcing you to. And you are right, driver pay has nothing to do with trucking, silly me.

Hey Rob,

I don't think that's a "thought". Based on your past posts, I've yet to see you expend the calories to have an original thought. I see you're considering a career. How about you line up a few cogent arguments in your posts before you file the internet with your drivel?

Eh?

Oh poor RI Red has to fall back on insults! ... You want a post deleted because it keeps popping up on top? You are a suck pal.

Lack of sufficient pay is the biggest issue facing drivers today, so I would say it has everything to do with trucking.

RI Red, you have to admit that your participation in this conversation has become an epic in the irony department.

You started by posting a complaint about how this conversation keeps popping up at the top, thus putting it back at the top yourself. Then you said it's not relevant and basically beneath us as a website to host such a conversation, but then you started launching personal attacks against other members thus dragging this further into the gutter. Then you started entering your own thoughts into the discussion after asking if it could be removed.

So you're not going to win any awards today for your efforts but thanks anyways for giving me more to clean up. Way to become part of the problem.

RI Red, you have to admit that your participation in this conversation has become an epic in the irony department.

You started by posting a complaint about how this conversation keeps popping up at the top, thus putting it back at the top yourself. Then you said it's not relevant and basically beneath us as a website to host such a conversation, but then you started launching personal attacks against other members thus dragging this further into the gutter. Then you started entering your own thoughts into the discussion after asking if it could be removed.

So you're not going to win any awards today for your efforts but thanks anyways for giving me more to clean up. Way to become part of the problem.

Hehe- true! delete me outta here. I've become part of the problem!