Unions ...... Good Or Bad??

BTW, I really hate the auto spell crap on my phone!

Now for the rest of us, we want the opposite. We want companies to make less and pay us more. To keep the price of the product as low as possible so we can afford it. Sounds good in theory but isn't reality.

I for one, want whatever company I work for to make a lot of money. In the hopes that the powers that be, share the wealth with the rest of us. When I had my store, I paid my team well, and they busted their arses for me, because A) I busted mine alongside them, and B) they got 2 profit sharing bonuses. (Christmas, and Memorial Day) My guys and gals were among the highest paid restaurant workers in the area, and we did GOOD.

I like to think that some companies out there, great their people the same way, and I am sure there are. Most can, but most won't.

Now for the rest of us, we want the opposite. We want companies to make less and pay us more. To keep the price of the product as low as possible so we can afford it. Sounds good in theory but isn't reality.

I for one, want whatever company I work for to make a lot of money. In the hopes that the powers that be, share the wealth with the rest of us. When I had my store, I paid my team well, and they busted their arses for me, because A) I busted mine alongside them, and B) they got 2 profit sharing bonuses. (Christmas, and Memorial Day) My guys and gals were among the highest paid restaurant workers in the area, and we did GOOD.

I like to think that some companies out there, great their people the same way, and I am sure there are.

Most can, but most won't.

THAT is the real problem.

And your story is the exact reason they won't. They aren't going to put their money on the line in case the company goes bust. Then they would be right where you are and having to find a job. They make enough by keeping costs low to afford going bust.

And your story is the exact reason they won't. They aren't going to put their money on the line in case the company goes bust. Then they would be right where you are and having to find a job. They make enough by keeping costs low to afford going bust.

You said more than you know, right there.

And your story is the exact reason they won't. They aren't going to put their money on the line in case the company goes bust. Then they would be right where you are and having to find a job. They make enough by keeping costs low to afford going bust.

You said more than you know, right there.

Yes, you did. And it is unfortunately true. HOWEVER......

but they can easily afford to do more, than they do. In my case, i made the mistake of hiring a drug addict accountant, because he WAS, a "friend." Did i know he was an addict? Not until it was too late. but I digress.

Mr Shneevely, the CEO of Truckers R Us, just had record profits last year. He could easily give a company wide raise, to reward all of his CURRENT workers for a job well done. He doesn't have to raise the entry level wages, because a person coming into the company has to prove themselves. Instead, he gives himself a $2mil bonus. And he still has enough stashed away to cover the "going bust" scenario.

Corporate greed will ultimately kill this industry, just look at Arrow.

I've got a question for all of you rich wealthy haters out there. Now be honest!! If you won a 50 million lottery, would you be willing start a company, risk millions of your money, for a net return of a few thousand? You have to do all of the work to get the business off the ground. You have to risk your money. You have to hire people whom you've never met at double the cost of your competitors and hope they are worth it because it costs so much in training to replace. Now after the end of the year, you made 20000 more than your employees. Not worth it! Hell, a savings account will net you a few percent gain a year, yet most people don't even think that's worth it.

Now in the story above, you started your own restaurant. Then you paid your employees high. Now you work as a truck driver. What happened to your employees when you lost everything? Did they all come to you and offer to cut their pays in half so you could save your restaurant or did they walk away? Look at Mc Hammer, paid his dancer's so well it cost him everything. Think his dancers gave some money back? Hell no!

Here's something everyone knows but are afraid to admit. Everyone in this country is greedy! Everyone wants more money. From the bottom to the top. There's never enough! We've been debating back and forth about the same thing yet people feel they should have more and others less. Why is it OK for the poor to say but wrong for the rich? It's the same thing. Everyone wants more. There are a few documentaries out there that discuss this in detail. They interview people making minimum wage and ask them how much money is enough. They answer "there's no such thing as enough" then they laugh. Then they turn to the kinkos guy, a 1%, and ask him the same question. He responds the exact same way, laugh and all. We are all greedy. We all want more for less, which is the exact reason why stores like Walmart pushed all the mom and pop shots out. Once they popped up everyone stopped shopping at the mom and pops. Not because they couldn't afford the mom and pops but because they wanted to get more and pay less. Now that Walmart has taken over everyone says they hate them. Well quit shopping there then. Find a mom and pop and pay more.

Now in the story above, you started your own restaurant. Then you paid your employees high. Now you work as a truck driver. What happened to your employees when you lost everything? Did they all come to you and offer to cut their pays in half so you could save your restaurant or did they walk away? Look at Mc Hammer, paid his dancer's so well it cost him everything. Think his dancers gave some money back? Hell no

Actually, they all volunteered to take a pay cut, and a few even tried to give back their bonuses. If you treat your employees like decent human beings, with respect, and with integrity, they become loyal. Unfortunately, it was too little too late.

I am not hating on the rich by any means, and yes, i would start a company, and run it on the same principals (principles?) I ran my store. Brett can be my fleet manager

wanting a fair wage, is not hating on the rich, it is wanting to be paid what you know you are worth. There are several successful companies out there, that do just that. They are usually the companies that require a lot more experience, too.

Also, I am willing to bet, that when most companies started they weren't that profitable until at least the third or fourth year. That is what the risk is all about. being willing to lose it all. If people were afraid to take those risks, than there would be a lot less companies, like Starbucks, and even apple. the most successful people failed a lot, and lost a lot.

Very true. A lot of 1% lost money in businesses. Yet another reason they keep costs down so they can afford to loose and keep themselves where they are.

Sam, you still don't seem to get it. Paying everyone a decent wage is good business, everybody benefits.

You keep setting up your own landmines and you keep stepping in them. For example: this is a quote made by you ...

"They don't care about what goods they are selling as long as you're buying."

As long as you are buying. And what are you supposed to be buying with if you are not even earning enough? Your arguments are very Machiavellian, the ends justify the means. Your line of reasoning stays very exclusive to having the benefits of our economy flow only to the top, and if we carry your line of reasoning to its fullest, we will be left with a dictatorship. You seem to forget or outright dismiss the notion that the world's resources are for the benefit of mankind, and not just the lucky 1%. A well compensated employee is a high-performing employee who has higher productivity which subsequently more than pay for itself.

Think of it this way. Decreasing taxes brings about greater tax receipts. There are many real life examples of this.

Concentrating economic power in the hands of a few leaves all of us worse off, would you agree?