HOS And 34 Hour Reset

Errol, when i first read 'suspended' I assumed it meant there was nothing in its place. I'm still reading through the legislation but can you confirm it left the 2003 34 hour reset rule in place?

I looked up the suspension wording; currently suspended and reverts back to the restart rules in force from 2003-2012.

We have been living with these rules for a long time and as you will eventually see they become second nature void of surprises.

Sorry if I added to the confusion, not my intent.

So I should abandon the 2011 legislation I am reading now and search for the 2003 legislation. This is all new to me and when I saw the word suspended, I didn't know it left existing legislation in place.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say the government was involved with this.

Dan, are yuo reading the rule book? You would honestly do better with the Logbook section of the High Road Training Program. Then you only worry about what is going on now, not what is or ain't effective and do not worry yourself about 2011 or 2013 or whatever.

Errol, when i first read 'suspended' I assumed it meant there was nothing in its place. I'm still reading through the legislation but can you confirm it left the 2003 34 hour reset rule in place?

Basically the current 34 hour rule says, any time you go off duty or Sleeper for 34 hours, and your weekly clock (70 or 80 hours) is completely reset. One of the reasons dedicated routes have a weekend off is it gives you the opportunity to run those 10-11 driving hours per day and not worry about maxing out for the week. I, too, drive this schedule. I also have been on "recaps", which limits your daily drive if you work the 70/80 hour thing. Having a 3 hour day because of the limits is a real drag!

Dan, are yuo reading the rule book? You would honestly do better with the Log Book section of the High Road Training Program. Then you only worry about what is going on now, not what is or ain't effective and do not worry yourself about 2011 or 2013 or whatever.

Errol, when i first read 'suspended' I assumed it meant there was nothing in its place. I'm still reading through the legislation but can you confirm it left the 2003 34 hour reset rule in place?

Basically the current 34 hour rule says, any time you go off duty or Sleeper for 34 hours, and your weekly clock (70 or 80 hours) is completely reset. One of the reasons dedicated routes have a weekend off is it gives you the opportunity to run those 10-11 driving hours per day and not worry about maxing out for the week. I, too, drive this schedule. I also have been on "recaps", which limits your daily drive if you work the 70/80 hour thing. Having a 3 hour day because of the limits is a real drag!

Errol, I had read so much material on the internet that gave conflicting information that I decided to go right to the source; the legislation itself. There is a lot of blather in some of it (they explain how they arrive at their decision) but I know I am reading the actual law. What i did not realize initially is that I was reading the 2011 law that was suspended. I'm over half way through now so I'll finish it and then look for the 2003 legislation. Then I'll go to any info on TT.

I still haven't decided 100% that I am going to do this but the schedule is really appealing. Or maybe I should say the lies in some of the ads are really appealing. Regardless, if I decide to do this I am not going to attend any CDL school until March or April so I have plenty of time to read through more material on this site.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say the government was involved with this.

Dan, are you asking if the government is involved in this forum?

If I didn't know any better, I'd say the government was involved with this.

Dan, Are you asking if the government is involved with this forum?

Not at all.

Ok cool. So yes the government is involved with this. If you eventually go to regional and drive 5/10s you will be fine and your 70 hour clock will refresh during your 2 days off. Not that much different than what I do running dedicated.

Dan, part of the reason your question, and the search for your answer is so confusing is that you do not even understand the rules in the first place. I'm not making an indictment nor a criticism, but you are chasing a red herring by trying to figure all this out from reading the regulations, and any related legislation referring to the suspension of the enforcement.

I'm going to try and break it down real simple because this whole thread is going in all kinds of places and it just makes it more confusing.

There never was any suspension of any new 34 hour reset rule. The only suspension is only in the enforcement of the changes that were made to the original 34 hour reset. Those changes were:

1) that it had to include two time periods between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m.

2) You could only do one reset per week - they gave a number of hours, which I can't recall at the moment, but basically it meant one reset per week.

Those changes in the legislation are still in place, but there will be no enforcement of them until Congress gets the unbiased studies they have requested from the Secretary of Transportation.

Therefore we are still operating under the old rules which basically allow you to reset your 70 hour clock whenever you want to by going off duty for 34 consecutive hours.

Here's what I highly recommend you do and that is learn the rules by studying our logs book section in the High Road Training Program. It covers all this in a progressive learning atmosphere so that as you gain the mastery of some of the simpler concepts of the rules it will progress you onto the next level and keep you going until you're like a Jedi Master of the log book rules. The new rules are covered in that section, but as of right now they are not being enforced.

Don't get all hung up about the government trying to tell you when you need to sleep or not. Trust me, you are going to be exhausted from the stress of this job at the beginning, and you will be so glad that there are some regulations that require you to stop and rest.

I run like crazy, and I stay legal all the time. I take full advantage of the rules, and I take full advantage of anytime I can rest or entertain myself away from my truck just to sort of re-charge my batteries. The rules are very workable, and they give you lots of time to run and make money. The fourteen hour rule is by far the most hurtful of any of the regulations.

Dan, part of the reason your question, and the search for your answer is so confusing is that you do not even understand the rules in the first place

That's why one of the first things I did was state I had no real knowledge outside what I had read, which was just a few hours of research. But a lot of the material I read was confusing and that's why I asked the question to begin with. I think some of the other comments on here at least suggest the status of the rules makes it confusing. From the comments on here and the additional material I have read, I think I have a better handle on the rule now, but I still want to read more to make sure.

Dan B. I must commend you for having the patience to read thru all the applicable legislation. It's nice to hear that you would go to such lengths. Wish you luck in whatever field you do pursue.