Alley Dock In Action

Ryan,

A couple of thoughts about your contribution to the forum and the moderators’ reactions to your post.

First, as far as other people being wrong, it’s about batting averages. As you say, everyone makes mistakes. But Packrat, the other moderators, and the experienced drivers who contribute meaningful information to help new drivers have a better track record for being correct. You’re batting average is improving, but keep working on it if you want to be treated with respect.

As far as being treated with respect, if you come across as a know-it-all, you better be right or you’re going to be attacked. If you say, “I think” or “In my understanding,” you’re less likely to get as many adverse reactions to your incorrect posts. Rather, you’ll get a more amiable correction. I’m not saying you have to change your tone, but if you’re not right you’re going to get jumped on.

As far as getting jumped on, specifically by G-Town, you should appreciate his input rather than complain. G-Town has much experience as a driver and contributes an immense amount of knowledge to this forum. You should be thankful that someone with that much knowledge takes the time to correct you. So, G-Town’s harsh in his comments. So what? Don’t take it so personal. Back to batting average, if you want to improve you batting average, take batting practice against the best pitcher on your team.

As far as banning Ryan I think would conflict with Brett’s comment in another thread about censoring people who don’t agree with you. Rather than censoring Ryan’s wrong posts, correct it. Because Ryan tends to pull crap out of his ass, the correction tends to become a good learning experience for new drivers. Sure, it’s a pain in the ass, but hey, that the nature of this forum. We (euphemistically, I don’t) respond to the hair follicle testing posts that appear pretty much every three days. In fact, Packrat, you were the first response to the most recent one.

Ryan,

A couple of thoughts about your contribution to the forum and the moderators’ reactions to your post.

First, as far as other people being wrong, it’s about batting averages. As you say, everyone makes mistakes. But Packrat, the other moderators, and the experienced drivers who contribute meaningful information to help new drivers have a better track record for being correct. You’re batting average is improving, but keep working on it if you want to be treated with respect.

As far as being treated with respect, if you come across as a know-it-all, you better be right or you’re going to be attacked. If you say, “I think” or “In my understanding,” you’re less likely to get as many adverse reactions to your incorrect posts. Rather, you’ll get a more amiable correction. I’m not saying you have to change your tone, but if you’re not right you’re going to get jumped on.

As far as getting jumped on, specifically by G-Town, you should appreciate his input rather than complain. G-Town has much experience as a driver and contributes an immense amount of knowledge to this forum. You should be thankful that someone with that much knowledge takes the time to correct you. So, G-Town’s harsh in his comments. So what? Don’t take it so personal. Back to batting average, if you want to improve you batting average, take batting practice against the best pitcher on your team.

As far as banning Ryan I think would conflict with Brett’s comment in another thread about censoring people who don’t agree with you. Rather than censoring Ryan’s wrong posts, correct it. Because Ryan tends to pull crap out of his ass, the correction tends to become a good learning experience for new drivers. Sure, it’s a pain in the ass, but hey, that the nature of this forum. We (euphemistically, I don’t) respond to the hair follicle testing posts that appear pretty much every three days. In fact, Packrat, you were the first response to the most recent one.

I was going to stay out of this, but I want to applaud Chief Brody on a very reasonable post here.

I really like and respect G-Town, PackRat and Ryan. Like Ryan, I’ve had to be corrected on numerous occasions. G-town also told me at one point he was done trying to deal with me. But I’ve managed to rehabilitate myself here and am at peace with all the direction and correction I have received.

So, I identify with Ryan and also enjoy his input, although I too have to shake my head sometimes. Ryan can really take a beating and keep on ticking. I admire that and I think Ryan will prove to be a valuable member here.

Drama like this really defeats the entire purpose of these forums.

Every time I poke my head back in there’s drama and it’s always the same guy.

Your a know it all ass, knock it off already.

Drama like this really defeats the entire purpose of these forums.

Every time I poke my head back in there’s drama and it’s always the same guy.

Your a know it all ass, knock it off already.

Drama? Who would expect any drama from a group of truck drivers? Shocking.

And Ryan is not an ass. He’s just Ryan.

Really helpful, like most of your post. 👍🏻

Keep trying to be funny, you’ll get there.

Drama like this really defeats the entire purpose of these forums.

Every time I poke my head back in there’s drama and it’s always the same guy.

Your a know it all ass, knock it off already.

Drama? Who would expect any drama from a group of truck drivers? Shocking.

And Ryan is not an ass. He’s just Ryan.

Ryan,

A couple of thoughts about your contribution to the forum and the moderators’ reactions to your post.

First, as far as other people being wrong, it’s about batting averages. As you say, everyone makes mistakes. But Packrat, the other moderators, and the experienced drivers who contribute meaningful information to help new drivers have a better track record for being correct. You’re batting average is improving, but keep working on it if you want to be treated with respect.

As far as being treated with respect, if you come across as a know-it-all, you better be right or you’re going to be attacked. If you say, “I think” or “In my understanding,” you’re less likely to get as many adverse reactions to your incorrect posts. Rather, you’ll get a more amiable correction. I’m not saying you have to change your tone, but if you’re not right you’re going to get jumped on.

As far as getting jumped on, specifically by G-Town, you should appreciate his input rather than complain. G-Town has much experience as a driver and contributes an immense amount of knowledge to this forum. You should be thankful that someone with that much knowledge takes the time to correct you. So, G-Town’s harsh in his comments. So what? Don’t take it so personal. Back to batting average, if you want to improve you batting average, take batting practice against the best pitcher on your team.

As far as banning Ryan I think would conflict with Brett’s comment in another thread about censoring people who don’t agree with you. Rather than censoring Ryan’s wrong posts, correct it. Because Ryan tends to pull crap out of his ass, the correction tends to become a good learning experience for new drivers. Sure, it’s a pain in the ass, but hey, that the nature of this forum. We (euphemistically, I don’t) respond to the hair follicle testing posts that appear pretty much every three days. In fact, Packrat, you were the first response to the most recent one.

I agree with everything that you have stated. I will keep my comment brief because I think saying more rather than less would be counterproductive.

Really helpful, like most of your post. 👍🏻

Keep trying to be funny, you’ll get there.

Drama like this really defeats the entire purpose of these forums.

Every time I poke my head back in there’s drama and it’s always the same guy.

Your a know it all ass, knock it off already.

Drama? Who would expect any drama from a group of truck drivers? Shocking.

And Ryan is not an ass. He’s just Ryan.

R

So, Klutch, you protest drama on the website by creating more drama? Brilliant.

Lol you’re one to talk Bruce. You’ve created way more drama on this forum than Klutch has at this point. Now apparently you are the gold standard of how to conduct yourself on the forum?

Really helpful, like most of your post. 👍🏻

Keep trying to be funny, you’ll get there.

Drama like this really defeats the entire purpose of these forums.

Every time I poke my head back in there’s drama and it’s always the same guy.

Your a know it all ass, knock it off already.

Drama? Who would expect any drama from a group of truck drivers? Shocking.

And Ryan is not an ass. He’s just Ryan.

R

So, Klutch, you protest drama on the website by creating more drama? Brilliant.

Lol you’re one to talk Bruce. You’ve created way more drama on this forum than Klutch has at this point. Now apparently you are the gold standard of how to conduct yourself on the forum?

Really helpful, like most of your post. 👍🏻

Keep trying to be funny, you’ll get there.

Drama like this really defeats the entire purpose of these forums.

Every time I poke my head back in there’s drama and it’s always the same guy.

Your a know it all ass, knock it off already.

Drama? Who would expect any drama from a group of truck drivers? Shocking.

And Ryan is not an ass. He’s just Ryan.

R

So, Klutch, you protest drama on the website by creating more drama? Brilliant.

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I’m not complaining about the drama. Klutch is, so I thought I’d see if he liked comedy better. But no, maybe his thing is tragedy.

Good morning everyone and Happy New Year.

Below was the catalyst for this thread going completely off the rails:

Ryan wrote this…

A longer trailer has the advantage of less tail swing (the opposite side of the trailer from the side on which the trailer tandems are pivoting) as a percentage of the overall length of the trailer. That's the only advantage of a longer trailer over a shorter one, when backing.

I replied with this…

Shorter trailers like 28' pups have no tail swing yet are more difficult (at first) to back than a longer wagon. I drive a 48' chip trailer with a fixed tandem , thus no tail swing at all.

This point is relative to placement of the tandems on a 53' trailer. Backing any length trailer is challenging for a new driver.

My reply was commentary, nothing more. Not harsh, not judgmental. Commentary I would have written regardless of who I was replying to. I’ve backed many thousands of times with all sizes of trailers in numerous scenarios. Instead of trying to learn from my reply and understand it, Ryan sh__s all over it. The above exchange is what triggered all this.

Ryan is the only member of this forum that would be offended by what I wrote. The only one…and basically took an otherwise excellent teaching thread, and wrecked it with a barrage of false accusations and character assignations directed at me.

All the “talking-to” with Ryan isn’t going to change his behavior. That is why I stated I was “done with him”. We are wasting far too much time and energy on one person who requires an elevated level of attention, respect and appreciation he has yet to earn. Give respect, get respect. We are wasting far too much time redirecting him on how to get along in here. Ryan cannot tolerate being wrong and has frequently belittled anyone opposing his opinion, even on subjects he hasn’t experienced (like being a moderator). I’ve honestly lost count at the number of his replies I deleted, that insulted other moderators (including you Chief) and members for pointing out his errors. Most of you have seen none of these smart ass, snarky replies. I have.

I’d like Brett to seriously consider deleting the bickering that ensued after my backing commentary. None of it belongs here. In lieu of that, everyone please let this go, leave it alone.

Thank you.