Does My Friend Need A Class A Cdl Or Any Cdl?
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Straight from High Road Training:
"Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds."
If the trailer is RATED to carry 10,001 or more, then yes, your friend needs a CDL. Doesn't matter if it's full or empty.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
GVWR:
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
GVWR is the maximum operating weight of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer, minus any trailers.
GCWR:
Gross Combined Weight Rating
The GCWR refers to the total weight of a vehicle, including all trailers.
So if his trailers GVWR is at 10k and he is using a non CDL straight truck he is fine? but if its at 14k he needs a CDL? Is it true that he needs one if he starts hauling for profit for other people with the same setup?
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
GVWR:
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
GVWR is the maximum operating weight of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer, minus any trailers.
So if his trailers GVWR is at 10k and he is using a non CDL straight truck he is fine? but if its at 14k he needs a CDL? Is it true that he needs one if he starts hauling for profit for other people with the same setup?
Hauling for profit or not has nothing to do with it. Its all about the gvwr of the truck and trailer as the persian conversion defined it.
Phil
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
GVWR:
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
GVWR is the maximum operating weight of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer, minus any trailers.
Is there something keeping him from getting his CDL? The written tests are a walk in the park with the help of the High Road on this site. He obviously has the skills to drive. He just needs to pass the Driving, Backing and Pre-Trip at the DMV and he is good to go. If he gets busted for driving without a CDL , it could cause some real problems for him, as well as some real difficulty in obtaining his CDL after the fact. Just my$.02
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Dm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.DMV:
Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles
The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.
Is there something keeping him from getting his CDL? The written tests are a walk in the park with the help of the High Road on this site. He obviously has the skills to drive. He just needs to pass the Driving, Backing and Pre-Trip at the DMV and he is good to go. If he gets busted for driving without a CDL , it could cause some real problems for him, as well as some real difficulty in obtaining his CDL after the fact. Just my$.02
He would have to take said tests in a vehicle which requires a cdl, which he doesn't have.
Phil
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Dm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.DMV:
Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles
The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.
You said he rents from Ryder on a regular basis. Couldn't they help him out? Not really sure how that works.
If he starts hauling for profit he will need to get a dot medical card and start keeping a log book. Will also have to follow hours of service and all that.
I drove straight trucks for 9 years before getting my CDL.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
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so I got my class A cdl and getting my first rig and my friend had a question for me that I cannot answer. He has NOT gotten pulled over yet and has been told different answers by different people... none of whom are DOT officials or even police like I suggested to ask... I assume so he doesn't call attention to himself if he is in the wrong. He has NO cdl whatsoever, he rents 26' box trucks from Penske or Ryder "i think ryder" which are under 26,000lb and therefore no cdl is needed to rent or drive.... but he pulls a 28' enclosed trailer behind this truck also. now the truck is loaded with appx 3k in weight and the trailer is RATED to haul either 10k or 14k and it hauls appx 4k in cargo weight "empty I believe it weighs around 3800k".
26' 26,000lb GVWR non cdl truck carrying 3,000lbs of cargo and towing a 28' 10,000lb GVWR trailer carrying 4,000lbs of cargo
so here is what we have heard from truckers and other random somewhat wannabe knowledgeable people. 1) since this setup hauls for profit "even tho all cargo is owned by my friend he is still selling it for profit" and since he does cross state lines loaded he must have a class A cdl for combination vehicles.
2) even though the truck is registered under the cdl limit since the trailer he is hauling is registered with a GVW rating of 10k or more this automatically makes him fall into needing a class A cdl whether the actual GVW of the trailer loaded does not reach 10k. this person also stated that if he got a smaller trailer with a GVW rating UNDER 10k that then he would be fine and not need a CDL
3) another person says it depends on the length of the setup and the GVW rating of BOTH pieces of equipment combined... but could not explain further,
So does anyone have input on here that I can relay to him? does he need a CDL at all? YES he hauls for HIS OWN COMPANY and owns all cargo he is hauling YES he does sell this cargo for profit NO he does not carry any other cargo for other people or as a service "all is his own" NO he does NOT meet or exceed either the truck or trailers GVW rating, it is far below by thousands of pounds for each
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
Combination Vehicle:
A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
GVWR:
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
GVWR is the maximum operating weight of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer, minus any trailers.
OWI:
Operating While Intoxicated