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Nicholas...you are not approaching this correctly.

First of all there are a half dozen reasons contributing to a newbie's failure that can occur long before the reality of the lifestyle takes hold. I know this for a fact and not because I read it, saw it or heard it somewhere. I witness the struggles of new drivers everyday who have unrealistic expectations and pi**poor attitudes. They fail before ever passing "go".

So this is not rocket science, but then neither is lawyering. Right? It's all in how it's said, admittedly I know very little about the legal profession yet I know it's not rocket science. So as a layperson telling that to a lawyer it's easily perceived as insulting. Get my drift Counselor?

You are NOT a driver!!!

You are an outsider looking in with zero firsthand experience.

Here's the deal,...I will try to be respectful cause you basically diminished the Profession that most of us love and respect. It puts food on your table, clothes on your back and a car under your a**. Without trucks you have none of those things.

You are far too confident and are greatly, greatly underestimating the difficulty and danger of truck driving. Especially in the beginning. If approached as such, this job will figuratively and literally eat you alive. Your lack of humility will not serve you well and likely contribute to your failure.

If an 80,000 pound death machine descending a 9% mountain grade doesn't humble a man or woman, nothing will. But then, I've never been a lawyer.

"Rinse and repeat...right?" It's that easy.

Being a lawyer is easy, I don't take offense. It's just not enjoyable, insofar as my interests are concerned. There's nothing wrong with saying a job is easy, I think that's where you're going off track, no pun intended. Most jobs are easy, given you put in the proper amount of work to prepare yourself for them. Even rocket science is easy, given you study enough in school to understand it well. As long as you're well prepared for a job, it becomes easy. Likewise, being an OTR trucker is easy, so long as you enjoy driving for 11 hours a day and living in a truck, and have paid very close attention in your training. Of course driving a smooth bore tanker can be dangerous, but if you are well prepared to do it, it becomes easy and second nature. I was top 3 in the country as a wrestler years ago, and although most would say lateral dropping someone onto their head is difficult, as long as you've put in the hard work beforehand, it comes easy.

Confidence is based on preparation. Anything becomes easy with enough preparation.

Excuse me?

You went from insulting to condescending. I forgot arguing with a lawyer is like wrastlin' with a pig in the mud. Eventually you realize the "pig" enjoys it.

"Crickets"...we're done. You don't need us...

Nick. You are truly an Asshat. Please stay out of the Trucking Business. It is infested with enough ******bags as it is. Good Riddance!

Being a lawyer is easy, I don't take offense. It's just not enjoyable, insofar as my interests are concerned. There's nothing wrong with saying a job is easy, I think that's where you're going off track, no pun intended. Most jobs are easy, given you put in the proper amount of work to prepare yourself for them. Even rocket science is easy, given you study enough in school to understand it well. As long as you're well prepared for a job, it becomes easy. Likewise, being an OTR trucker is easy, so long as you enjoy driving for 11 hours a day and living in a truck, and have paid very close attention in your training

That's spoken like it came from someone who has tried very few things in life to begin with and has never been great at anything.

Doing anything seems easy when you're terrible at it. Doing something at the highest level is where the separation shows between those with true talent, a tremendous work ethic, and years of hard-earned knowledge and those without. You think being a lawyer or a rocket scientist or a truck driver is easy but you've never been capable of doing any of them at a high level so to be quite honest, you have no idea what you're talking about.

If we threw you in a truck today you'd literally be a joke to the rest of us. As a rocket scientist, well you're not one. As a lawyer, you're unemployed and going nowhere. You're all talk my friend. Do something, anything, and become competitive with those at the highest level and then we'll see how easy you think it is.

To be terrible at pretty much everything but then put down those who do those things at a high level is pretty embarrassing for you to be honest. In life there are big talkers and big doers. Big doers know the difference.

Being a lawyer is easy, I don't take offense. It's just not enjoyable, insofar as my interests are concerned. There's nothing wrong with saying a job is easy, I think that's where you're going off track, no pun intended. Most jobs are easy, given you put in the proper amount of work to prepare yourself for them. Even rocket science is easy, given you study enough in school to understand it well. As long as you're well prepared for a job, it becomes easy. Likewise, being an OTR trucker is easy, so long as you enjoy driving for 11 hours a day and living in a truck, and have paid very close attention in your training

That's spoken like it came from someone who has tried very few things in life to begin with and has never been great at anything.

Doing anything seems easy when you're terrible at it. Doing something at the highest level is where the separation shows between those with true talent, a tremendous work ethic, and years of hard-earned knowledge and those without. You think being a lawyer or a rocket scientist or a truck driver is easy but you've never been capable of doing any of them at a high level so to be quite honest, you have no idea what you're talking about.

If we threw you in a truck today you'd literally be a joke to the rest of us. As a rocket scientist, well you're not one. As a lawyer, you're unemployed and going nowhere. You're all talk my friend. Do something, anything, and become competitive with those at the highest level and then we'll see how easy you think it is.

To be terrible at pretty much everything but then put down those who do those things at a high level is pretty embarrassing for you to be honest. In life there are big talkers and big doers. Big doers know the difference.

I'm a great attorney, and quit by choice. I was also top 3 in the country as a wrestler. I'm great at anything I put my mind to. I'd be a phenomenal truck driver. You guys are missing the point. Once you're well prepared, things become easy. Don't sweat it.

I'm a great attorney, and quit by choice. I was also top 3 in the country as a wrestler. I'm great at anything I put my mind to. I'd be a phenomenal truck driver. You guys are missing the point. Once you're well prepared, things become easy. Don't sweat it.

Like many other fields of endeavor - in trucking, you prepare BY DOING IT.

You can't read a book on smooth-bore tankers - and expect to be prepared for the experience.

You came in here, looking for advise. When you didn't get exactly what you wanted to hear - you started "trying your case" in order to get the desired response.

That's not the way it works around here. And if you want to disregard the advice of folks that have helped so many people get a successful start in this industry.

Then the "discussion" devolves into trolling - then it's probably time for you to move on.

Since you already know more than the collective wisdom of our board members here - there's nothing more we can offer you apparently.

Best of luck - you're going to need it with your attitude...

Rick

I'm a great attorney, and quit by choice. I was also top 3 in the country as a wrestler. I'm great at anything I put my mind to. I'd be a phenomenal truck driver. You guys are missing the point. Once you're well prepared, things become easy. Don't sweat it.

Like many other fields of endeavor - in trucking, you prepare BY DOING IT.

You can't read a book on smooth-bore tankers - and expect to be prepared for the experience.

You came in here, looking for advise. When you didn't get exactly what you wanted to hear - you started "trying your case" in order to get the desired response.

That's not the way it works around here. And if you want to disregard the advice of folks that have helped so many people get a successful start in this industry.

Then the "discussion" devolves into trolling - then it's probably time for you to move on.

Since you already know more than the collective wisdom of our board members here - there's nothing more we can offer you apparently.

Best of luck - you're going to need it with your attitude...

Rick

It's all a matter of perspective. If you think it's difficult, you're looking at it the wrong way, or you just aren't well prepared. The preparation is difficult, but once that's done correctly, the job is easy.

Last tidbits of troll-food laid out here.

you've presented your case - rested - and had your closing arguments.

So I guess I will withdraw and concede victory to you.

Buh bye...

Rick

NIcholas in true lawyer fashion continues to argue...by writing this:

I'm a great attorney, and quit by choice. I was also top 3 in the country as a wrestler. I'm great at anything I put my mind to. I'd be a phenomenal truck driver. You guys are missing the point. Once you're well prepared, things become easy. Don't sweat it.

Great attorneys don't quit at age 30 after maybe, 4-5 total years of experience. You were in the job long enough to know that you disliked it. How does that make you great? Potential? Possibly, I don't know, but "great"? Only in your own mind.

I know a great lawyer, been one of my best friends for 25 years. He practiced financial and contractual law for 30+ years and is a multi-millionaire. Although you'd never know it and he certainly wouldn't tell the whole world he was a "great" attorney. Even if it were true, he is far too wise to make a claim like that. A year ago he asked to accompany me on one of my Walmart delivery runs. During the 350 mile round trip he repeatedly kept saying, "I had no idea what you guys deal with". At the end of the trip he looked at me and thanked me for completely changing his paradigm on truck driving and all that it entails. He stated that his respect for truck drivers doubled. He said that I made it "look easy" but he understood by my furrowed brow, laser focus and constant vigilance that even to his untrained eye, it obviously wasn't.

You on the other hand believe this is going to be easy, no sweat. Read the books, ask some questions, pseudo-prepare and presto, out pops a super-trucker. You clearly have no respect for what we do. The great majority of us never have and hopefully never will make the evening news. The significance of that is beyond your current level of comprehension. To this day I never wake up thinking "Man this is so easy, like taking candy from a baby". No, God no. Every day I wake up and spend 10 minutes reflecting on the previous day; the mistakes, the breaks, and the near misses. I never stop learning or trying to improve my game. I never stop evaluating how I can improve...never. I want to be a great truck driver, but know that I fall short. The day I become complacent is the day I become dangerous to myself and others. It's time to retire. You on the other hand seem to be starting out like that...complacent as if you are entitled to be great at this just because you have always been great and you believe you will be amply prepared. My friend, I have good days and I have bad, but never, never are they easy. All it takes is a split second lapse of concentration and your whole life can be changed in an instant. With that harsh reality constantly in the forefront, comes respect, humility and prudence.

You have a whole lot to learn, but the number one thing to your detriment is your attitude; you are arrogant and c**kie. Maybe you think you need to be that way, not sure. Regardless, you have already alienated the vast majority of professionals on this forum who devote their free time to helping others (like you). At some point, inevitably you will need help,...no one is going to be there for you. You think you have this all figured out,...you don't. Far from it and you are far too ego-centric to realize it. Humility to some degree is an absolute requirement, especially in the beginning. You think you are going to "stand the trucking industry on it's ear". I promise you if you approach it with your current attitude; you might get through training, you might make it to solo status; but the first time you cop that sh** with a DOT officer, a dispatcher , a safety manager, or a shipping/receiving clerk you will be expediting your own demise.

You have received valuable advice here in a very short period of time. Initially it seemed like you were genuinely interested in a positive exchange, it unraveled quickly in part because you chose to diminish and unsuspectingly mock our profession. I sincerely hope you somehow "get-over" yourself and heed the experience of others willing to help you and show you the right way to approach this. Otherwise,...please do yourself a favor and choose some other career path because I doubt you have the required temperament for this.

NIcholas in true lawyer fashion continues to argue...by writing this:

I'm a great attorney, and quit by choice. I was also top 3 in the country as a wrestler. I'm great at anything I put my mind to. I'd be a phenomenal truck driver. You guys are missing the point. Once you're well prepared, things become easy. Don't sweat it.

Great attorneys don't quit at age 30 after maybe, 4-5 total years of experience. You were in the job long enough to know that you disliked it. How does that make you great? Potential? Possibly, I don't know, but "great"? Only in your own mind.

I know a great lawyer, been one of my best friends for 25 years. He practiced financial and contractual law for 30+ years and is a multi-millionaire. Although you'd never know it and he certainly wouldn't tell the whole world he was a "great" attorney. Even if it were true, he is far too wise to make a claim like that. A year ago he asked to accompany me on one of my Walmart delivery runs. During the 350 mile round trip he repeatedly kept saying, "I had no idea what you guys deal with". At the end of the trip he looked at me and thanked me for completely changing his paradigm on truck driving and all that it entails. He stated that his respect for truck drivers doubled. He said that I made it "look easy" but he understood by my furrowed brow, laser focus and constant vigilance that even to his untrained eye, it obviously wasn't.

Well said. Just stay in the right lane and keep your foot near the brakes if you're nervous. Set that cruise control to 62 and put on some Stern, and count the cash baby!!! Also, remember that there's a severe shortage of drivers, and being a commodity more precious than platinum, we can tell dispatchers to give us those miles or we'll jump ship. /thread