Paper Logs - Working For Two Carriers?

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Kevin K's Comment
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If I drive for Company A in the morning and then Company B in the evening, how do I keep one log book and enter both Home Terminal and Main Office addresses?

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Kevin K's Comment
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Bumped. Seriously nobody knows?

G-Town's Comment
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Seriously? Has it occurred to you that your work situation is an anomaly?

Are both these companies required to run logs? If they are local outfits, intrastate they might both be exempt. See here:

Learn The Logbook Rules (HOS)

My guess? No one in this forum does what you are attempting to do. I think the answer is you can't. If logs are required, you'll need a separate log for each company. No idea how you can be legal juggling personal HOS for two different CMV driving jobs in a 24 hour period.

More information might help.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Intrastate:

The act of purchasers and sellers transacting business while keeping all transactions in a single state, without crossing state lines to do so.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PJ's Comment
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Kevin your asking a very odd question. First and foremost your no longer allowed to run paper as the eld mandate went into effect 12-18-17. So that is out. I also can not think of a situation where you would drive for 2 companies on the same day and be required to keep logs. I guess it could be possible but very unusual to say the least.

Errol V.'s Comment
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G-Town & PJ have the right concerns. But here's another angle.

You may drive a total of 11 hours within a 14 how window each day. The driving time can be "broken up", but once you start duty in the morning, you'll have do be out of the truck 14 hours later.

So I expect in a practical way you'll have maybe 5-6 hours maximum per company. Is that going to work for your two bosses?

We're happy to help out, but we do need more information.

Kevin K's Comment
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I was trying to keep it simple but if it helps here's my scenario;

I'm driving a Class B CDL straight truck in the evening for 2-3 hours. During the day, I'm training for my Class A. The school wants us to keep paper logs. If I'm driving one of their tractors on a public highway and there is an incident, I would think the officer would want an accurate log book.

The ELD at my employer doesn't require the address info and can be edited to reflect my on-duty/driving time at school. I was hoping to keep track of my work duty on the paper logs as well so both were consistent.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
PJ's Comment
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Kevin I’ll give you the simple answer. You can’t do that. You are not allowed legally to keep 2 sets of books. You can get in big trouble for that one. I’m guessing the school is probably trying to get you used to logging. It’s not required as students never drive outside the maxium miles and fall under that exception. First I would ask are you writing for training purposes only on the logs for the school???? If so they are not a legal log and you wouldn’t have any worries. You do pose a different scenario than most here.

G-Town's Comment
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...in addition to what PJ wrote, I urge you (if you haven't already) to discuss this with a school official. They might want you to show a full 10 hour break from the time you "log-off" the class B job to the time you start school the next day and log on-duty.

Quite a pickle...

Kevin K's Comment
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I'll be in compliance with hours of service. Class is 0800 to 1630 and work 1700-2100 or so at the latest.

My instructor said to ask my employer. My employer didn't know. Google didn't either.

If they aren't legal logs and only for training I should hand the school my meticulous log books from last year and tell them to exempt me :)

PackRat's Comment
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Any scalehouses or highway patrol offices nearby? I'll bet someone there would have a great answer.

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