Metal Coil Frustration.

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Brett Aquila's Comment
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You guys are referencing two different manuals....the Federal Cargo Securement Manual and the New York State Coil Endorsement Manual, both of which are built directly into the High Road.

Here are the two different sections within the High Road:

Federal Cargo Securement Manual

New York State Coil Endorsement

So if there's a conflict in the definitions I would suspect it's coming from the different writers of the two different manuals.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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Also I can’t survive in another state, I have delivered to a few of them and they just lack the abuse nyc happens to have. Keeps you on edge.

Hahaha

That is why I am moving back to Michigan. Only Michigan has that perfect level of abuse that I need in my life. smile.gif

Art A.'s Comment
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I don't have much time before I gotta roll so I'll be quick.

Question 3 on the chains:

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3. 3/8 chain is rated with 5,400 lbs. the chain should have a rating of? ( the chart is on page 2.8 of the booklet )

A. G70 B. H C. HT

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In the table you showed me it says “ high test “. In the booklet I have it says “ high “.

Thank you for the clarification on question 4.

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Art A.'s Comment
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@ Brett Aquila

“ So if there's a conflict in the definitions I would suspect it's coming from the different writers of the two different manuals. “

Well you are right.

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I also just checked the towing manual and the chain rating is High Test instead of High. During the test they give you a print out of the chain tables from the Metal coil booklet so I guess you would always pick the wrong answer if you didn’t know better.

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OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Art, I forgot to mention that yes, you have to be logged in for the system to track your scores.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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I don't have much time before I gotta roll so I'll be quick.

Question 3 on the chains:

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3. 3/8 chain is rated with 5,400 lbs. the chain should have a rating of? ( the chart is on page 2.8 of the booklet )

A. G70 B. H C. HT

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3/8 chain rated at 5400lbs is Grade 43 High Test (HT)

Question 4- regardless of the definition of direct or indirect, answers A and B can't possibly be correct because they must also include a side to side tie down going directly over the top of these coil to be in compliance. Look at the link above on coil securement that Chris M sent. It shows 3 options for securing a shotgun coil. Answer C is the only one that matches one of those options (option #3).

Absolutely correct, Grade 43 HT

The NY Chart

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The NY Metal Coil Endorsement manual, if you don't have it.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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The NY Metal Coil Endorsement manual, if you don't have it.

It's already built into the High Road CDL Training Program. The High Road is the manual.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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The NY Metal Coil Endorsement manual, if you don't have it.

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It's already built into the High Road CDL Training Program. The High Road is the manual.

The problem is, that there are several questions no covered by the Highroads, or the manual.

I think NY did it on purpose, to nickel and dime the drivers. (partial sarcasm)

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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The NY Metal Coil Endorsement manual, if you don't have it.

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It's already built into the High Road CDL Training Program. The High Road is the manual.

I hadn’t refreshed the page when I posted that. I didn’t see the other replies.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Turtle's Comment
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I think NY did it on purpose, to nickel and dime the drivers. (partial sarcasm)

No surprise there haha. NY can be brutal for sure.

But yeah seriously, the High Road CDL Training Program covers everything you need to pass the NY Coil exam. It's literally all I used for study, and I passed on my first try. It's been long enough now that I don't remember any specific questions though. In fact, I don't remember any auto-fail questions at all.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
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