C R England?

Moe, you know what I find interesting? You have so much faith in these teachers at your school, and yet you've failed your CDL exam four times now. These great minds can't even seem to teach you the bare minimum skills needed to pass the driving exam, yet you're convinced they're leading you down the path to success?

If you ask anyone who has reached a high level of success in life they'll all agree that the people you surround yourself with are critically important. If you can't tell who to latch onto and who to avoid you're in for a world of hurt out there.

I hope you'll stick with us because you need us more than you know. That's coming from someone with 26 years of success in this industry, including 15 behind the wheel.

Brett et al,

First, I want to apologize for being so hasty in my response and saying I would log off never to return. Brett, I appreciate what you are trying to do and I understand that you are coming from a place where you are trying to change perception in this industry (and we have had many discussions you and I about the perceptions of trucking that sorely need to change). I also respect the experienced drivers who take their time to offer input on their time off and over the road with the goal of helping new drivers like myself get a good solid foot hold in trucking. In alot of ways TT is trying to take the place of the fathers of older generations who would mentor their kids.

What I was put off by was the editing and censorship of my replies. I was simply trying to provide what information I had to a potential new driver, I also made it clear that the op would need to discern for himself what is best and if that happened to be CRE, than so be it. I am not in the business of nor will I ever tell someone what they should or should not do with their lives. That also said , it is also TRUTH that CRE has had negative press the last couple of year - a driver trainer who sexually assaulted a female trainee (and this is something that I know the forum will agree is disgusting and has 0 place in this or any professional environment) and they just recently settled a lawsuit regarding their lease owner op programs (why anyone would lease is beyond me , for ANY company not just CRE , but to each their own).

TRUTH as I see it, is acknowledging the good and the bad of whatever the topic happens to be. If we just focus on the good or our own opinions and experiences and discount or discredit other information are we really living by TRUTH? Or are we instead living on our own narrative?

I felt attacked really in your responses, not that you were intentionally doing it per se. I believe you were simply trying to help the op based on your years of experience and I get that. I also admitted at least once that I did not have a CDL , was not a driver yet, but as far as I can tell that was post was deleted in lieu of an edited comment.

"Moe, you know what I find interesting? You have so much faith in these teachers at your school, and yet you've failed your CDL exam four times now. These great minds can't even seem to teach you the bare minimum skills needed to pass the driving exam, yet you're convinced they're leading you down the path to success? If you ask anyone who has reached a high level of success in life they'll all agree that the people you surround yourself with are critically important. If you can't tell who to latch onto and who to avoid you're in for a world of hurt out there. "

It is funny that you mentioned that. These teachers that you speak of happen to also be longtime career drivers and have had success in helping people pass the OR state CDL exam. IN FACT - I just got out of a very positive meeting with my local worksource counselor (this is an OR state employment education and training program) and she in fact told me that the owner of the school has seen my work and sees the potential in me as a driver and is willing to train me at no extra charge (drive/back etc) through the holidays and will continue to work with me until I get my CDL, even if the worst case scenario I fail and have to wait a year. He is also willing to step out on the line for me and suggest places of employment where I got could get a non CDL driver job should the need arise and will gladly take me back next year (IF NEEDBE).

Before it gets posted, I realize I had also posted another forum topic where I mentioned the charges and fees that were told to me by another student. I was WRONG and I am willing to be humble and admit that right off the bat. I took second hand information and formed a perspective that was not true.

A part of having faith in someone is being willing to watch them struggle, stumble and fall and see them become who they were meant to be.

It is me who has to take EXTREME OWNERSHIP of my inability to deliver on test day, its not the school's fault, nor my instructor nor Trucking Truth's ME. I am fully reminded of this each and every day when I wake up. I also believe that with continued practice I will get there.

What I felt in today's online discussion was the complete opposite of the post made two weeks ago or so, where we discussed changing the tone of the forum to one which is more positive, upbeat and not so elite (the only word I can describe it). I also need to own up to the fact that I did not deliver on that by posting things the way I did.

At this point, I am frankly running out of things to say and I have already said ALOT.

If I can just ask for the forum's forgiveness about the misunderstanding earlier and hope we can move onto greater fellowhip and better things.

When I do get this CDL , there better be 15 pages of dancing bannnanas......lol

Thank you

Moe.

Thank you, Moe, for sharing all of that. I appreciate it and I can understand where you're coming from.

You're in a really tough position. You're brand new to this industry so it's nearly impossible for you to know who you should listen to. I've been in the industry for 26 years so it's easy for me to identify someone who is toxic, and believe me, there are a lot of bad players in this industry. Everyone thinks they know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, many of the people who believe fiercely in the quality of their opinions are some of the most toxic people you'll find anywhere. Their complete conviction can be convincing if you can not reason it through.

I felt attacked really in your responses, not that you were intentionally doing it........What I was put off by was the editing and censorship of my replies.

Moe, I really appreciate your effort to help your fellow drivers find their way. I can understand why you would be offended by having some of your statements removed. I think you know I wasn't attacking you, but I can understand why it was upsetting. I hope I can help you understand why it was necessary.

I take personal responsibility for every word that gets posted on this website. It doesn't matter who posts it, I hold myself responsible for it. My take is clear; if you read something on my website you can trust it. Period.

It would be easy for me to pass the buck and say, "Hey, I didn't say that - he did. So I'm not responsible." But I hold myself to a higher standard. I'm here to teach. I'm here to help people succeed in this industry. If I knowingly let someone mislead people with bad information then I'm guilty of misleading people. I let it happen.

Heck, I could even say, "Hey, it's a huge website. I can't be responsible for everything." But that's not good enough either. If you read it here you can trust it. I've put my name and reputation on it, even if I didn't say it.

I also made it clear that the op would need to discern for himself what is best

That right there is a critical part of why we're the best at mentoring new drivers. See, we're teachers. We know what's best. We teach people what it takes to be successful in trucking based on many years of our own personal experience and success. We don't throw a bunch of random opinions at people and tell them to figure it out for themselves. That's what Amazon, YouTube, Ebay, Facebook, and the other trucking forums do. They let anyone say anything, no matter how wrong or misleading it may be, and you have to sort it out for yourself.

We know the answers. We're the ones you turn to when you need the right answers, the truth of the matter. That's why we're so valuable. You can trust us to be there for you and give you advice and opinions that will help you build a strong foundation for your career and go on to become a top tier driver.

So Moe, I had to remove that stuff you said. That wasn't solid information or professional advice. It wasn't going to help anyone make good decisions for themselves. Yeah, I know you think it was helpful because you believe it came from a trustworthy source. I'm afraid that's simply not true. Maybe someday you'll see that for yourself, but right now you don't have the experience to know. That's not your fault. I'm not mad at you. I don't hold it against you in the least. You were told something by someone in the industry that you thought you could trust and you passed it on because you thought it would help. I commend you for that. It's the people who misled you that I'm frustrated with. I'm trying to help people understand this industry and build a solid foundation for their career but it's like swimming upstream because there are people everywhere giving bad advice.

So hey, no worries, man. I get where you're coming from. It's no problem.

Listen, all I ask is that you hear us out. Listen to our podcasts, ask us questions, read our articles, talk with us here in the forum, and then decide for yourself whether you think we're worthy of your trust. I know if you'll do that you'll come to realize what many thousands of people came to realize over the years - that we know exactly what we're talking about.

I'm sorry you were offended. I hope I've helped you understand why I had to remove some of that stuff. Believe it or not, you've benefited from all of the times I've done that in the past. You can trust the information you get from us because that's the standard we set.

Personally, I found the tone to be perfectly in alignment with what was discussed in that thread. You should consider yourself lucky, man. ;)

Its all good, I have forgiven and moved on. I have much to learn you are correct. Thank you Moe

Thank you, Moe, for sharing all of that. I appreciate it and I can understand where you're coming from.

You're in a really tough position. You're brand new to this industry so it's nearly impossible for you to know who you should listen to. I've been in the industry for 26 years so it's easy for me to identify someone who is toxic, and believe me, there are a lot of bad players in this industry. Everyone thinks they know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, many of the people who believe fiercely in the quality of their opinions are some of the most toxic people you'll find anywhere. Their complete conviction can be convincing if you can not reason it through.

I felt attacked really in your responses, not that you were intentionally doing it........What I was put off by was the editing and censorship of my replies.

Moe, I really appreciate your effort to help your fellow drivers find their way. I can understand why you would be offended by having some of your statements removed. I think you know I wasn't attacking you, but I can understand why it was upsetting. I hope I can help you understand why it was necessary.

I take personal responsibility for every word that gets posted on this website. It doesn't matter who posts it, I hold myself responsible for it. My take is clear; if you read something on my website you can trust it. Period.

It would be easy for me to pass the buck and say, "Hey, I didn't say that - he did. So I'm not responsible." But I hold myself to a higher standard. I'm here to teach. I'm here to help people succeed in this industry. If I knowingly let someone mislead people with bad information then I'm guilty of misleading people. I let it happen.

Heck, I could even say, "Hey, it's a huge website. I can't be responsible for everything." But that's not good enough either. If you read it here you can trust it. I've put my name and reputation on it, even if I didn't say it.

I also made it clear that the op would need to discern for himself what is best

That right there is a critical part of why we're the best at mentoring new drivers. See, we're teachers. We know what's best. We teach people what it takes to be successful in trucking based on many years of our own personal experience and success. We don't throw a bunch of random opinions at people and tell them to figure it out for themselves. That's what Amazon, YouTube, Ebay, Facebook, and the other trucking forums do. They let anyone say anything, no matter how wrong or misleading it may be, and you have to sort it out for yourself.

We know the answers. We're the ones you turn to when you need the right answers, the truth of the matter. That's why we're so valuable. You can trust us to be there for you and give you advice and opinions that will help you build a strong foundation for your career and go on to become a top tier driver.

So Moe, I had to remove that stuff you said. That wasn't solid information or professional advice. It wasn't going to help anyone make good decisions for themselves. Yeah, I know you think it was helpful because you believe it came from a trustworthy source. I'm afraid that's simply not true. Maybe someday you'll see that for yourself, but right now you don't have the experience to know. That's not your fault. I'm not mad at you. I don't hold it against you in the least. You were told something by someone in the industry that you thought you could trust and you passed it on because you thought it would help. I commend you for that. It's the people who misled you that I'm frustrated with. I'm trying to help people understand this industry and build a solid foundation for their career but it's like swimming upstream because there are people everywhere giving bad advice.

So hey, no worries, man. I get where you're coming from. It's no problem.

Listen, all I ask is that you hear us out. Listen to our podcasts, ask us questions, read our articles, talk with us here in the forum, and then decide for yourself whether you think we're worthy of your trust. I know if you'll do that you'll come to realize what many thousands of people came to realize over the years - that we know exactly what we're talking about.

I'm sorry you were offended. I hope I've helped you understand why I had to remove some of that stuff. Believe it or not, you've benefited from all of the times I've done that in the past. You can trust the information you get from us because that's the standard we set.

Man, didnt mean to stir up the hornets nest. Any way, I have put in several apps to see who is offering a CDL school and experience. Wish me luck

Mike

Michael, we've got a great list of companies that offer Paid CDL Training Programs. You can get a great start at any of those companies.

You didn't stir up any hornet's nest. We are doing our best to help people understand how to make a good solid start in a career that is grossly misunderstood and terribly represented by the folks who go to the internet to air out their shortcomings by pointing fingers and assigning blame everywhere but where it belongs. We do our best to keep it real. Second and third hand information from really bad sources is something we always strive to keep down. You just witnessed part of our struggle.

What ever happened to the "sons" part? Back in the 70's it was "C R England and Sons".

What ever happened to the "sons" part? Back in the 70's it was "C R England and Sons".

When I started driving in 88, it was CR England. It was probably dropped in the 80s when the 3d generation of England's came on board.

Laura