You Cant Makey Money Saying No

Topic 27609 | Page 2

Page 2 of 3 Previous Page Next Page Go To Page:
Spoonerist 's Comment
member avatar

Trucker spirit animal! Awesome, that makes me so happy.

I’ve turned down loads, but usually only in conjunction with home time. Mid December my DM coached me to only accept loads going West.

At this point they commit me to the loads immediately as well. If there’s an issue I’ll call.

Before my Clarkston run this week the local planner gave me 4 local runs, but I needed miles and had already talked to my DM. I was at the terminal and spoke to both my DM and the planner. I committed to a live local at Costco DC and the Clarkston drop and hook. Win/win!

The load I’m on was planned late. ETA of 1500 in Sumner with a 1700 delivery in Spokane. I accepted it and am now in Spokane. 482 miles yesterday 300 of those were heavy!

I’m going back to sleep.

Cheers,

G

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Old School's Comment
member avatar

Here's another twist on this whole idea of refusing loads. I've watched a good number of drivers come and go on this dedicated account I'm on. I'm considered the "senior driver." That's not due to my age, but rather my longevity on the account. I've been here longer than anyone else (5+ years). There's actually two brothers who've been here longer, but the company no longer considers their longevity in the hierarchy due to quitting and coming back, or having gone into leasing.)

Many of the drivers who've quit blamed it on the fact they can't get enough miles. I scratch my head at that reason because there's a ton of work available to us. They will even claim they never refuse loads, but they insist on running certain areas only. Once they start they will tell our operations manager, "I will run any load you can give me, but I don't go North of the Mason Dixon line." Or they say, "I only want to run the Midwest." One guy insisted on running the Southwest only.

You can't be so demanding and expect to be treated like royalty. Here's a recent encounter I had with a driver who insists on running the Southwest exclusively. We are at the plant (Delhi, Louisiana) together, securing our next load. He asks, "Mister Dale, where are you headed?" (They all call me "mister" for some unknown reason - probably because I could be their grandpa) I say, "I'm headed up to New Hampshire." He wrinkles up his nose in disdain, and asks, "You like it up there?" I'm grinning as I say, "It pays the bills. You should try it sometime."

Then he wants to know, "Where'd you go last week?" He's digging for information now, and he finds out what he's looking for when I respond that, "I ran a load down to Miami." "Oh Man," he says, "They told me they didn't have any loads available. I had to sit at home for three days. Now you're telling me they could have sent me to Miami. I'm gonna have to talk to them!"

You see, when you set limits on what you're willing to do, you also unknowingly set limits on your availability. They know I can, and will, run anywhere, under any circumstances. They are not going to have me wait on a load just so they can pacify a driver who has a laundry list of demands. This happens all the time. I've even had drivers ask me, "Hey Man, how did you get my load this week? These loads don't have anybody's name on them. They don't belong to any particular driver. They just need to be delivered.

Make yourself available to more opportunity and you'll be all the better off out here. It's a competition. Don't hamstring yourself.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Don's Comment
member avatar

Being a "local" driver driving a day cab is a different animal from Around the Clock OTR , I am comparing apples to oranges. Knowing that, declining a load because it is "too short" isn't an option. Besides, I cannot "refuse a load", unless it will put me over my 14 before getting back to home base. Doing so will get me shown the door. I will get a 2-3 mile run within Wooster, or an 8 mile run to a customer in a nearby town, unload or drop and return to base for my next load. The only saving grace is our mileage rate is on a sliding scale. Thankfully, I don't get these types of runs often. Give me a nice 500 mile round trip to Buffalo or Dunkirk, NY and I will be happy every time, of course. Well, except when there is bad Winter weather along I-90E.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Day Cab:

A tractor which does not have a sleeper berth attached to it. Normally used for local routes where drivers go home every night.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Brett Aquila's Comment
member avatar
They know I can, and will, run anywhere, under any circumstances. They are not going to have me wait on a load just so they can pacify a driver who has a laundry list of demands.

This is a key concept to understand. The folks in the office will take best care of the drivers who take the best care of them. It's a partnership.

The salespeople book freight. They hand that freight over to the load planners and dispatchers who must move all the freight by assigning it to the appropriate drivers.

Dealing with drivers is pretty much a nightmare. They have all sorts of issues:

  • Homesick
  • Physically ill
  • Only want to run during the day
  • Won't go to the Northeast
  • Won't haul runs shorter than 300 miles

The list goes on for miles. So assigning freight can be a nightmare.

Each dispatcher has a large pool of drivers. The number varies by company and division, but it's often in the 30 - 60 driver range. When they assign freight each day, probably 70% of the drivers have some sort of issue with the load they're assigned. The complaining, arguing, and threats begin. Being a dispatcher can be like teaching a classroom full of little kids who all need a nap.

When you're one of the few drivers who are reliable and cooperative, it's a joy for dispatch. Maybe 5% - 10% of their drivers fit into that category so you really stand out. They really want to take great care of you because they appreciate the fact you make their life so much easier.

Not only that, but dispatchers and load planners often receive pay that is based in part on their driver's performance. So if you turn a lot of miles and you're on time for all of your appointments, they make more money.

So now you're the type of driver that makes your dispatcher's and load planners lives so much easier and you make them more money. It's safe to say they adore you! They want to do all they can for you.

Drivers have no authority, other than to refuse to drive for safety reasons. So you can't force anyone to do anything for you. The most powerful tools in your arsenal are your fantastic work ethic, your reliability with appointment times, your ability to solve problems without their intervention, and your cooperative attitude. If you use those tools consistently you'll get better miles and better treatment than 90% of the drivers.

But keep in mind, that means sometimes you're hauling freight that doesn't thrill you. All of the loads must get moved, and some of them are simply crappy runs that no one likes. If they can give one to you once in a while knowing you won't complain, it's such a huge relief to them. They will reward you handsomely. You may have to remind them from time to time and say, "Hey, I'm a little short on miles this week because I've had two short runs out of three. Can you throw me a bone?? I need some big miles to reach my goals this week." They'll be happy to do it.

Be the type of driver that dispatchers love to take care of. There's nothing more powerful than that.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Errol V.'s Comment
member avatar

Old School lays it down (I know, Brett already quoted this):

They know I can, and will, run anywhere, under any circumstances. They are not going to have me wait on a load just so they can pacify a driver who has a laundry list of demands.

You can think "Ok, I'll do this 150 mile trailer bump for my DM , then he'll return the favor with a trip to Nevada."

There's no "favor" involved. If you do the "can and will" part, your DM will know who to count on for any load any where. You'll be at the top of the list for the DM's "Who's next?" DMs have between 20-50 drivers to handle. They won't waste their time being "fair" when they have a ton of loads to get off their board.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Brandon Kitts's Comment
member avatar

Usually when I'm about 10 miles out from receiver I'll receive a preplan for my next load. I've yet to wait. As soon as I'm empty I'm heading somewhere else.

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
member avatar

Being a "local" driver driving a day cab is a different animal from Around the Clock OTR , I am comparing apples to oranges. Knowing that, declining a load because it is "too short" isn't an option. Besides, I cannot "refuse a load", unless it will put me over my 14 before getting back to home base. Doing so will get me shown the door. I will get a 2-3 mile run within Wooster, or an 8 mile run to a customer in a nearby town, unload or drop and return to base for my next load. The only saving grace is our mileage rate is on a sliding scale. Thankfully, I don't get these types of runs often. Give me a nice 500 mile round trip to Buffalo or Dunkirk, NY and I will be happy every time, of course. Well, except when there is bad Winter weather along I-90E.

My husband works with Don, and they are both 'off weekends/home daily' sorda local guys. Well, they 'asked' my hubby to do two runs to Chewy yesterday (Saturday.) Do you think he said NO?!?!? (Hayl nawh....!)

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Day Cab:

A tractor which does not have a sleeper berth attached to it. Normally used for local routes where drivers go home every night.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Spoonerist 's Comment
member avatar

The horse is probably dead, but it has room for a little more flogging...

I got 2400 miles this week (for heavy, that’s a ton, 2200 under a load)! I did regional with a touch of local (under 10 miles), moved some empties to Costco DC, and will finish my 70 tomorrow with 2 more hyper sensitive local runs. Dispatch knows they can count on me to help when I have time.

I do this in a heavy haul condo!

Brett, Errol, OS you have all been inspirational and I base my work ethic on your advice! I haven’t been disappointed and I’m making great $$!

Cheers,

G

Regional:

Regional Route

Usually refers to a driver hauling freight within one particular region of the country. You might be in the "Southeast Regional Division" or "Midwest Regional". Regional route drivers often get home on the weekends which is one of the main appeals for this type of route.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

PackRat's Comment
member avatar

I just took a 19 mile load from West Memphis, AR to Mississippi tomorrow morning with a live unload at the delivery. Next one is from there to SC.

Keeps me moving.

JuiceBox's Comment
member avatar

I love being able to chose my loads based on all available loads out of my terminal or whatever terminal I happen to be at. Sometimes there are only less than desirable loads left on the board, but I'll never say no because I'm not in the business of making no money. I prefer my days off to be paid time off, excluding weekends of course.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Page 2 of 3 Previous Page Next Page Go To Page:

New Reply:

New! Check out our help videos for a better understanding of our forum features

Bold
Italic
Underline
Quote
Photo
Link
Smiley
Links On TruckingTruth


example: TruckingTruth Homepage



example: https://www.truckingtruth.com
Submit
Cancel
Upload New Photo
Please enter a caption of one sentence or less:

Click on any of the buttons below to insert a link to that section of TruckingTruth:

Getting Started In Trucking High Road Training Program Company-Sponsored Training Programs Apply For Company-Sponsored Training Truck Driver's Career Guide Choosing A School Choosing A Company Truck Driving Schools Truck Driving Jobs Apply For Truck Driving Jobs DOT Physical Drug Testing Items To Pack Pre-Hire Letters CDL Practice Tests Trucking Company Reviews Brett's Book Leasing A Truck Pre-Trip Inspection Learn The Logbook Rules Sleep Apnea
Done
Done

0 characters so far - 5,500 maximum allowed.
Submit Preview

Preview:

Submit
Cancel

This topic has the following tags:

Advice For New Truck Drivers Dispatcher Issues Driver Responsibilities Home Time Hours Of Service Time Management
Click on any of the buttons above to view topics with that tag, or you can view a list of all forum tags here.

Why Join Trucking Truth?

We have an awesome set of tools that will help you understand the trucking industry and prepare for a great start to your trucking career. Not only that, but everything we offer here at TruckingTruth is 100% free - no strings attached! Sign up now and get instant access to our member's section:
High Road Training Program Logo
  • The High Road Training Program
  • The High Road Article Series
  • The Friendliest Trucker's Forum Ever!
  • Email Updates When New Articles Are Posted

Apply For Paid CDL Training Through TruckingTruth

Did you know you can fill out one quick form here on TruckingTruth and apply to several companies at once for paid CDL training? Seriously! The application only takes one minute. You will speak with recruiters today. There is no obligation whatsoever. Learn more and apply here:

Apply For Paid CDL Training