What Does A Quarantine Due To Coronavirus Mean For Truckers?

JCTrucker, I deleted your most recent posts because you continue to make statements as if they're fact when you couldn't possibly know if it's a fact or not, something you've been doing all along and we simply don't need that. They're wild assumptions on your part. But I will address some of the things you've said.

For instance, you're trying to say you know the death rate when yesterday's articles I posted and the quotes I posted from them clearly demonstrated that they can not possibly know how many people have this. The testing has been very minimal, and they can not test to see if someone had it but no longer does. So a massive number of cases have gone completely undetected, making the death rate seem much higher than it is, which has happened historically with other outbreaks. I will re-quote one passage from yesterday to demonstrate where we're at with this:

...because of the way countries monitor pandemics like the coronavirus, he says, the case fatality rate tends to decrease over time. The reason: When a new disease first shows up, testing usually focuses on severely ill people who are at high risk of dying. Later on, testing is more likely to include people with milder illness who are less likely to die.

That's what happened with West Nile virus, which appeared in the U.S. in 1999. At first, when scientists only knew of about a few dozen cases, it appeared the mortality rate was higher than 10%. But wider testing eventually found hundreds of thousands of people who'd been infected but never got sick enough to notice. Today, more than 3 million Americans have been infected and studies show that fewer than 1% become seriously ill.

You're also resorting to the name-calling thing and we don't need that. I'm not being irresponsible. I'm simply presenting facts about the situation that the media won't present because they're not terrifying and they won't incite panic. The politicians won't present these facts because it won't make them look like heroes who are saving the world. So I'm attempting to bring a more balanced perspective so people won't panic and they can view this situation in terms relative to other events.

I'll quote one last thing you said. You said, "You don't hear countries reporting that 1,000 people a day died from the flu." You're right, you don't. That's my point. They don't report it. You're insinuating that's because it doesn't happen. This year they estimate that nearly 50,000 people died from the flu in the United States, most of which happened in less than two months. You had far more than 1,000 deaths per day from it at its peak, but it wasn't being reported.

What Do They Mean When They Say Someone Died From Coronavirus?

Here's the thing I want people to keep in perspective, also. When they say someone died from the flu or from coronavirus, that rarely paints the full picture. 99% of these people were already on their deathbeds. Any virus would have killed them. They weren't healthy to begin with. Again, a quote about Italy's deaths, which I keep quoting because I haven't found this information from any other country:

The average age of those who have died is 79.5 years according to the Ministry of Health, who also stated that over 99% had at least one pre-existing health condition.

The flu and coronavirus rarely ever kills healthy people. It's killing extremely fragile people who are on their deathbed already. It's sweeping through the elderly population, which we should have been protecting in the first place. So it isn't killing them as much as it's nudging them over the edge, an edge they were already standing at. That's why I don't want people to panic over this.

One last thing you said JCTrucker that was also incorrect. You said this thing is just getting started. It's been going on for months. Some had estimated that this thing was going to kill as many as 2 - 3 million Americans. So far it has killed barely over 3,000. That's 1% of the worst-case scenario estimates. It doesn't appear it will get anywhere near those estimates.

Brett continues to make a very valid point:

I'm simply presenting facts about the situation that the media won't present because they're not terrifying and they won't incite panic.

Last night on NBC news Lester Holt said that Dr. Anthony Fauci estimates 200,000 deaths and that's "a best case scenario."

Below is a link to the NPR article of what Dr. Fauci actually said, which is the 100,000 to 200,000 death number is a "middle-of-the-road estimate."

I don't understand why people continue to give credibility to the media in the face of such undeniable blatant lies.

Another quote from Dr. Fauci to support what Brett is saying:

“I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong

Forgot the link:

Dr. Fauci CNN State of the Union

CNN and NBC are not a source of anything near the truth. Any subject.

Coronavirus death rate is lower than previously reported, study says, but it's still deadlier than seasonal flu

Here is another article, released yesterday - Coronavirus death rate is lower than previously reported, study says, but it's still deadlier than seasonal flu

How many people die after being infected with the novel coronavirus? Fewer than previously calculated, according to a study released Monday, but still more than die from the flu.

The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die. That coronavirus death rate, which is lower than earlier estimates, takes into account potentially milder cases that often go undiagnosed -- but it's still far higher than the 0.1% of people who are killed by the flu.

For age groups younger than 40, the death rate was never higher than 0.16%, according to the study. Out of 1,000 young adults infected, then, about 1 or 2 could die, with the youngest people facing the lowest risk.

"There might be outlying cases that get a lot of media attention, but our analysis very clearly shows that at aged 50 and over, hospitalization is much more likely than in those under 50, and a greater proportion of cases are likely to be fatal," said Azra Ghani, a professor at Imperial College London and an author of the study, in a statement.

Keep in mind that at the beginning of March, just a few weeks ago, the World Health Organization estimated that the world mortality rate for coronavirus was 3.4%, or 34 out of 1,000 people. Estimates now are that it will be .6% or 6 out of 1,000 people. That's about 1/6th the death rate they claimed just a few weeks ago, and that number keeps dropping.

I Repeat, The Flu Is Not Deadly!

I'm actually thrilled that we're comparing the death rates of coronavirus to the flu, because the flu is not deadly! We've all had the flu many, many times and here we are still standing. Many of us have had coronavirus and most of us never showed symptoms. I'm nearly certain I'm one of them.

So to say that coronavirus is 6 times more deadly than the flu has very little meaning other than to say it's not dangerous to 99.4% of the population, or 994 out of 1,000 people if that helps you visualize it better.

If we would have quarantined the elderly and those with severely compromised immune systems we would have prevented 95% of the deaths from happening. In the end, that will be the takeaway from all this.

Coronavirus job losses could total 47 million, unemployment rate may hit 32%, Fed estimates

Coronavirus job losses could total 47 million, unemployment rate may hit 32%, Fed estimates

• The coronavirus economic freeze could cost 47 million jobs and send the unemployment rate past 32%, according to St. Louis Fed projections.
• There are nearly 67 million Americans working in jobs that are at a high risk of layoffs, according to the analysis.
• St. Louis Fed President James Bullard said last week that the initial estimates are grim but the plunge should be short-lived.

Millions of Americans already have lost their jobs due to the coronavirus crisis and the worst of the damage is yet to come, according to a Federal Reserve estimate.

Economists at the Fed’s St. Louis district project total employment reductions of 47 million, which would translate to a 32.1% unemployment rate, according to a recent analysis of how bad things could get.

A record 3.3 million Americans filed initial jobless claims for the week ended March 21. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones expect another 2.65 million to join them this week.

The 30% unemployment rate would top the Great Depression peak of 24.9%.

Personally I can not imagine how anyone can hope this economic downturn will be short-lived. I expect it will be far shorter than the great depression because we've learned so much over the years about how economies work, but we have an extended period of tough times ahead. The unemployment rate will explode and then quickly drop to more reasonable levels, but you simply can not stop the world's economy and then fire it back up again like a car that was parked in your garage. It doesn't work that way.

You will have hundreds of thousands of business bankruptcies in the U.S. alone. Not only that, but this wasn't just a country or two, this was most of the world's most powerful economies that shut down all at once. One country can be revived more quickly by others, but when they all shut down they all must try to get back up at the same time. No one is going strong right now.

CNN and NBC are not a source of anything near the truth. Any subject.

The mainstream media rarely is. That's why I'm pulling figures from the CDC website and trying to interpret them in a way that shows the reality of this situation in a more objective light. JCTrucker accused me of being irresponsible because my views don't align with the alarmist media, when in fact I'm simply presenting the facts from the CDC and trying to put them in a proper perspective.

Keep in mind also that we have done very, very little testing in the U.S. but the number of tests will be increasing drastically. So naturally, as you test far more people, the number of cases will skyrocket.

Public health experts say that because of undocumented chains of transmission in many parts of the country, the number of new coronavirus cases in the U.S. is set to keep surging as more and more test results become known.

That doesn't mean that the virus is spreading any faster, it just means they'll be able to detect it in more people. It's like if you walk through a forest at night with a flashlight you'll think there are dozens of trees. When it gets light out you'll suddenly realize there are thousands of trees. The number of trees didn't change, just the number you could detect.

So the idea that we're going to quarantine ourselves until the number of new cases peaks is rather odd statistically speaking. As we increase the number of tests, the number of new cases detected will continue to grow. It's almost a certainty that because the testing is so far behind the spread of the virus itself, the number of people carrying the virus could drop drastically long before the test results show a decrease in the number of cases.

What that also means is that the death rate, which no one knows at this point, will continue to drop. The number of cases we know of will increase dramatically, so the percentage of people who died from the virus will continue to get lower.

We've talked about the political aspects of this quarantine, and I've said that until this is over we won't know what their agendas were. We must see what they've done to realize why they're handling things this way.

Here is an interesting tidbit:

Border Wall Work In Arizona Speeds Up, Igniting Contagion Fears

AJO, Ariz. — Motels, mobile home camps and Airbnbs in this small Arizona border town are full up. Work crews stream into eateries for takeout orders. License plates on trucks parked outside the crowded laundromat come from as far away as Alaska.

Around the country, some states have cut back on construction activity to curb the spread of the coronavirus, and hotels and restaurants in many cities have closed. But here in Arizona, the federal government is embarking on a frenetic new phase of construction of the border wall.

The Trump administration contends that the wall will help prevent the spread of the virus into the United States from Mexico, though epidemiologists and the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say such a barrier would not mitigate the outbreaks already occurring in every state.

It shows how the government will take advantage of the situation and sneak things in while no one is paying attention. That might have been important news at one time, and something that a lot of people would oppose. Now no one cares and many may even change their mind and think it's a good idea if they believe it will stop this virus.

Personally I have no opinion on the wall either way.

I honestly hope this “event” causes a groundswell of support mandating laws designed to require factual representation in reporting. I am all for freedom of speech...however that does not condone spinning the truth in order to increase ratings and advertising money.

The media is sitting pretty right now; fat, dumb and happy. With zero accountability for any of the unnecessary chaos they have created. No one in that industry is out of work...

Makes me sick (no pun intended).

Brett points out...

The number of cases we know of will increase dramatically, so the percentage of people who died from the virus will continue to get lower.

The sooner this happens the better, people need to go back to work and normal life. I have friends that are eating up everything the news is feeding them and they are scared to death. I think being totally stressed out and worried for weeks on end is more unhealthy than the damn bug. Once the mortality rate numbers don't seem so scary, they will stop pushing the panic button and the media will go into calm down mode. Then all you’ll hear is what a great job we did stopping this virus from killing the world, etc...etc...