Trucking Under Democratic Or Republican Government

Great response Rick. I agree completely with you. Fuel prices have been inching up since the election and that will be the first issue we directly see I think. Others will undoubtedly follow, but too what extent. There has been much talk and that is inconsistent at best on everything from the apparent new admin folks. We’ll just have to wait and see what the actions are vs the talk.

Company drivers will be effected, although not as directly as O/O’s. As demand changes in all aspects pricing will change. When pricing changes driver pay will change eventually.

Personally I left cali because of the politics and now my new home of Ga seems to be trying to do the same things, as are many other states. I have an oppurtunity to put on a second truck, however with the uncertainity I am being very hestitant to do it.

As the old saying goes “The proof is in the pudding”.

Great response Rick. I agree completely with you. Fuel prices have been inching up since the election and that will be the first issue we directly see I think. Others will undoubtedly follow, but too what extent. There has been much talk and that is inconsistent at best on everything from the apparent new admin folks. We’ll just have to wait and see what the actions are vs the talk.

Company drivers will be effected, although not as directly as O/O’s. As demand changes in all aspects pricing will change. When pricing changes driver pay will change eventually.

Personally I left cali because of the politics and now my new home of Ga seems to be trying to do the same things, as are many other states. I have an oppurtunity to put on a second truck, however with the uncertainity I am being very hestitant to do it.

As the old saying goes “The proof is in the pudding”.

While reluctant to call a "huge conspiracy theory" - it's a noticeable pattern. While I doubt there's some "master plan" behind it - it's very noticable.

Blue states tax their citizens to death, micro-manage their lives for them, and cause them to FLEE for "free red states" (typically in the south). One of the first places that got nailed pretty bad was Colorado. 15 years ago (or so) they were red - and quite conservative. Now they're hippy-dippy paradise.

Florida has been on a razors edge for decades. Statistics now show upwards of 30K citizens from NY/NJ - FLEEING to the south (many to GA too). Despite FL being "mostly red" outside the high density population zones - RAW NUMBERS COUNT. And they can flip the politics and "sensibility" of conservative run states - into liberal "feces holes", pretty fast

Where we are seeing a HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS, IS TEXAS. One of the last truly conservative states - is LITERALLY BEING OVERRUN by refugees from Commiefornia. They will be BLUE in under a decade. EVERY STATE they bring their Liberal/Social Justice BS too - gets RUINED.

They leave places where liberal policies have killed them on taxes, over-regulation, tyrannical/draconian policies - and they bring the same sentiments and expectations with them. They want the same kind of social(ist) policies - without truly realizing they will turn WHERE THEY RAN TO - into WHERE THEY RAN FROM.

And there's really no stopping it.

This election was demonstrative of HOW BAD WE HAVE BECOME. You have a guy that has obvious deficits due to his age, and a woman who CAME IN LAST in her state - that will be running our country soon. You have a party that has called us (me), everything from fascist to nazi, to every other name in the book - yet BEHAVE IN EXACTLY THAT MANNER.

I'm sorry - but LIBERALISM IS A CANCER. Compare every region that has been run by D's for decades - to ones that have been run by R's - to see the stark differences that policies make. Then look at the decline of regions that were previously conservative, that migration has turned liberal - and watch how fast they become exactly like the wastelands of Detroit, ChiRaq, Seattle, Portland, NYC, etc.

I had a debate with a liberal attorney friend (criminal attorney, so you would think he understands THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT), who thinks that the electoral college should be eliminated. Somehow believes that NY & CA should decide who sits in the WH - which is EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

And many states are still VERY CONSERVATIVE - OUTSIDE THE HIGH DENSITY POPULATIONS ZONES. But again - numbers MATTER.

I'm really saddened by what's going in. It sucks the very life out of me.

As I've mentioned before - from a company driver standpoint - my biggest concern is - what the effect of millions suddenly legalized immigrants, jumping into the legal job market (especially the trucking industry - where no initial skills are required to get in as a trainee), is going to do to both the availability of jobs in the industry, and the possibly NEGATIVE EFFECT ON PAY SCALES. Under the (supposed) "shortage of drivers", pay scales will stay high (maybe not as high as we'd LIKE). As with any industry - when there is MORE AVAILABLE LABOR THAN THERE IS JOBS - PAY DROPS.

Rick

This isn't the meme I was 'looking for...' but . . . it'll do~!!

Be safe, drivers!

This isn't the meme I was 'looking for...' but . . . it'll do~!!

Be safe, drivers!

Sorry. Democrats have proven over the past year they cannot get along with anyone. City after city was being destroyed. Temper tantrums to get their way.

If Trump ends up losing this election do you think you'll see the streets full of Republicans burning and looting? Um, no.

Auggie, as long as MY driver has his job, we have a roof with no mtge., and great foodstuffs, IDC. Business as usual on my homefront!

Anna,

Love your post! Straight to the point and very American. We can have a difference of opinion on poltical parties but we can still get along and love each other. This is the USA so if your choice lost just give the new one a chance. You can vote them out in 4 years if you want. There have been good and bad from both sides since forever. This is still the greatest place on earth to live and if you don't believe that there are a vast number of places to go.

This isn't the meme I was 'looking for...' but . . . it'll do~!!

Be safe, drivers!

To add into the debate of this post IMHO The trucking industry under a Biden administration will suffer how much will be left to be seen. First off Liberal Progressive Democrats (Yes I lump them all together because they (LPD) pretty much have the same mindset / opinion). Are in favor of more regulation ergo most of the reduction of regulations that the current administration has put into place will be reversed and more stringent regulations will be added. One clear example is OOIDA's media arm "Landline Now" reported on 11 November 2020 that: In September, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and a coalition of safety groups filed a lawsuit against FMCSA. The lawsuit will look at whether the agency had the authority to issue the final rule and whether or not the regulation is “arbitrary, capricious or otherwise contrary to law. So the assault has already begun on reversing the new flexible HOS rules that just went into effect. Is there anyone here on this forum think that the new administration will put up it's best effort in defending these HOS changes I personally do not. A couple post in this thread also stated that allot of Dem's are in- favor of implementing a nation wide version of California's AB5 legislation, as Dave W reported a week back that California Proposition 22 was passed which would provide exemptions to the AB5 rule (Expect California to challenge that law in court at the progressive friendly 9th Circuit). Allot of good points have come up in this thread and we should be all weary in the next 4 years , Yes trucks are very important and our economy is totally dependent on Trucking industry but I fear that powers to be are totally ignorant of how much of a roll we play in the economy. Buckle up: It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Anna,

Love your post! Straight to the point and very American. We can have a difference of opinion on poltical parties but we can still get along and love each other. This is the USA so if your choice lost just give the new one a chance. You can vote them out in 4 years if you want. There have been good and bad from both sides since forever. This is still the greatest place on earth to live and if you don't believe that there are a vast number of places to go.

This isn't the meme I was 'looking for...' but . . . it'll do~!!

Be safe, drivers!

Thank you, NPP . . . appreciate the kind words!! Just how I feel atm. . . have to!

Chris; it's all we can do . . . buckle up. Have been, for years!

To add into the debate of this post IMHO The trucking industry under a Biden administration will suffer how much will be left to be seen. First off Liberal Progressive Democrats (Yes I lump them all together because they (LPD) pretty much have the same mindset / opinion). Are in favor of more regulation ergo most of the reduction of regulations that the current administration has put into place will be reversed and more stringent regulations will be added. One clear example is OOIDA's media arm "Landline Now" reported on 11 November 2020 that: In September, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and a coalition of safety groups filed a lawsuit against FMCSA. The lawsuit will look at whether the agency had the authority to issue the final rule and whether or not the regulation is “arbitrary, capricious or otherwise contrary to law. So the assault has already begun on reversing the new flexible HOS rules that just went into effect. Is there anyone here on this forum think that the new administration will put up it's best effort in defending these HOS changes I personally do not. A couple post in this thread also stated that allot of Dem's are in- favor of implementing a nation wide version of California's AB5 legislation, as Dave W reported a week back that California Proposition 22 was passed which would provide exemptions to the AB5 rule (Expect California to challenge that law in court at the progressive friendly 9th Circuit). Allot of good points have come up in this thread and we should be all weary in the next 4 years , Yes trucks are very important and our economy is totally dependent on Trucking industry but I fear that powers to be are totally ignorant of how much of a roll we play in the economy. Buckle up: It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Got to add some clarification: What Landline Now reported on 11 November 20 was that the FMCSA submitted to the court copies of 8,000 comments it received while discussing the HOS rule changes. This was in response to the law suit filed in September by the Teamsters and various safety organizations that are opposing the HOS changes just implemented. Hopefully I didn't confuse anyone.

Got to add some clarification: What Landline Now reported on 11 November 20 was that the FMCSA submitted to the court copies of 8,000 comments it received while discussing the HOS rule changes. This was in response to the law suit filed in September by the Teamsters and various safety organizations that are opposing the HOS changes just implemented. Hopefully I didn't confuse anyone.

The left (actually, both sides, but the left more) just LOVE REGULATIONS. It increases the number of people required to oversee them (more/bigger government). HOS regs are JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. The left loves to "micro-manage" through regulations. THEY ARE AWARE of how important trucking is to the flow of goods to consumers/citizens. Anyone think they are not going to want to INCREASE CONTROL - not just of the industry as a whole - but HOW WE GET THINGS FROM POINT A to B?

I'm sure everyone has heard the term "deep state" kicked around (or "the swamp", they are pretty much synonymous) - and it conjures up images spooky spies doing nefarious stuff. But the deep state is (are) the massive numbers of UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS. There are so many agencies and employees, that even an article in Forbes magazine couldn't really count them all. And ALL of the employees thereof, get paid by the GOVERNMENT. And since THE GOVERNMENT doesn't actually produce anything - the only way to fund these agencies/people is either TAXES OR BORROWING.

While we have RULES AND LAWS - the government is SO BIG that no one can KEEP TRACK of what all these people are doing (except DRAWING A PAYCHECK - and usually better retirement/health benefits than you or I). And these are the people who seem to ANSWER TO NO ONE.

So all this really cool stuff (free stuff - like education, healthcare - and stuff like "climate change/green new deal") that's being pushed heavily by the incoming administration - means MORE SPENDING - MORE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. AND MORE TAXES AND FEES TO PAY FOR IT.

This "trickles down" to all businesses in the form of HIGHER OVERHEAD, which is offset by LESS PAY AND LESS BENEFITS FOR EMPLOYEES. And while we can whine about "evil corporations" - the one thing these corporations do IS EMPLOY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

And as I've previously mentioned, the relaxing of IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, and the planned AMNESTY OF ILLEGALS - is going to throw MILLIONS MORE INTO OUR EMPLOYMENT POOL - as well as INVITE MORE MILLIONS TO STREAM ACROSS OUR BORDERS ILLEGALLY.

Now - don't think me the callous type (or DO - don't really care). I've traveled most of S/Central America. I GET WHY people from there want to come here. I also get why people from here WANT TO GO THERE (because, as long as you stay away from ex-pat communities, you can LIVE LIKE A KING on $2K a month). But it is FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to not enforce our laws and just let everyone come in without regards to how it affects people WHO ARE CITIZENS (or who came in THE RIGHT WAY - by ASKING AND GETTING A VISA).

While we consider trucking to be "skilled labor" - because IT TAKES SKILL to safely operate a rig. DO NOT KID YOURSELF. NONE OF US HAD THESE SKILLS (regardless of aptitude), UNTIL WE GOT TRAINED AND GOT EXPERIENCE. Legalize all these folks so they can get CDL's - and WE WILL SEE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS competing for trucking jobs. And when I went to school, there were people in my class that could barely walk and chew gum at the same time (much less write a coherent sentence), who are DRIVING. So, much as we pat ourselves on the back for our "skills" - they CAN BE TAUGHT TO PRETTY MUCH ANYONE.

So while regulation, rising fuel prices are going to be a factor in the trucking industry. IMMIGRATION and the legalization of MILLIONS - is going to affect US - the people who drive for companies, and who are trying to get into the industry.

I was listening to a radio show, where a woman called in and said she was a registered republican - who voted for Biden, but R the rest of the ticket. When asked WHY - "Trump scares me". What about him scares you? She couldn't say - and was CLUELESS about any of the ACTUAL ISSUES. Wanted to punch my radio. I VOTE THE ISSUES. And while I'm not (typically) a "one issue voter" - anyone who is against the 2A is a definite NO. Then I drill down.

Those of you that voted AGAINST TRUMP because you "don't like HIM" (personality-wise), without regards to the lefts platform (who wouldn't even say ONE NATION UNDER GOD at their convention) - DESERVE WHAT THE NEXT FOUR YEARS (and possibly the rest of our lives) are going to look like. I don't blame the left - they are who they are, and make no apologies for it. But if you support that agenda, you support POLITICAL VIOLENCE (BLM/ANTIFA) as a means to scare the population into making political decisions (the very definition of TERRORISM) - for which the left NEVER CONDEMNED (and silence is the same as ENDORSEMENT).

I'm just DISGUSTED WITH THE WHOLE THING...

Rick