Trucking Companies And COVID Vaccine

I wonder if we’ll one day learn that following the “experts” advice is like following the GPS; mostly right, but sometimes horribly wrong. 🤔

I have finally decided that Brett is "Trolling" his own website. No one person can have so many warped views of the way the world works.

Please delete my profile from the site. I won't be back and do not want to be associated with this place.

Brett I apologize for comparing you to the Unabomber. That would require a knowledge of chemistry, thermodynamics, etc. I doubt that you believe in any of those things.

First of all, Brett can do what he wants - it is, after all, his site.

Plus, you give no specific detailed examples as to which of his views are "warped" or to what extent.

Your post is simply personal abuse. The only conclusion one can come to is, those who disagree with you hold views that are "warped."

So if you want to go, go. Be off with you. Good riddance.

It might be time to put this particular post to bed and remove it. I thought TT was designed to offer assistance and information to "newbie's" but this posting has become a personal punching bag for individual opinions on a health issue that is serious or a political stage for one party or the other. The insults and name calling benefit no one and are not beneficial to anyone wanting to enter the trucking industry. We don't have to agree on a lot of issues but this seems to be out of hand.

It might be time to put this particular post to bed and remove it. I thought TT was designed to offer assistance and information to "newbie's" but this posting has become a personal punching bag for individual opinions on a health issue that is serious or a political stage for one party or the other. The insults and name calling benefit no one and are not beneficial to anyone wanting to enter the trucking industry. We don't have to agree on a lot of issues but this seems to be out of hand.

I disagree. I don't believe it's out of hand at all.

99% of this conversation has been respectful, honest, patriotic free speech and 100% of this conversation applies to our careers and our lives because we'll lose our free society and everything we believe in and stand for if this crisis ends badly.

Difficult conversations must be had if we intend to move our society forward in the best possible manner for all citizens. Don't be squeamish. Man up and speak your mind. Don't be afraid of disagreements. Until all sides are on the table, we will not have the best collection of ideas. All great solutions start with the collection of all ideas.

Hi folks! Haven't participated in any discussion for a very long time. I left trucking a few years back but returned shortly thereafter. A long story that doesn't need telling. I haven't participitated in any discussions for a long time but read occasionally especially since covid became a part of our lives. I'm popping in now to say i appreciate this thread and hope Brett, you will leave it, and others similar to it, up because i agree that open respectful discussion, and the free exchange of ideas is imperative to a healthy society. This was the first place i came to over a year ago when this first hit the scene and was thankful for Bretts informative posts, usually accompanied by his research sources, as well as other peoples posts because it let me know I wasn't the only one questioning the narrative. I felt intuitively that something wasn't right and have since spent a lot of time most every day paying attention to current events and I am very concerned with the direction our country is headed. Thank you to all posters and thank you Brett for leaving this post up and future posts of this type. I believe it's good to have such discussions on the Trucking Truth site because we are truckers or soon to be and there are wise, intelligent people on this site who have a lot to offer in the way of ideas and information that might not have been considered or discovered otherwise. And it might be the only place for some of us out here on the road to get/have this kind of discussion.

Stevo,

About 4 yrs back I was considering the CDL trucking but opted for early retirement and moved to Thailand. Still there. For the past 18 mths this country has done various versions of lock downs and forced restrictions. Not quite at the level of California or NY, not a free country at this point either. I follow the news closely and there is rumblings of a Covid Pass sort of a thing getting proposed. That usually means it's in the works. IF that comes to be that would probably mean no going shopping, restaurants, any store, bar, etc if you don't have 'papers' to show you've been jabbed. Probably would be necessary to extend annual visa also. Again, that is IF and it hasn't happened yet.

This concerns me greatly so I've been looking at a Plan B or C as future options as I will never get jabbed. Cambodia, Philippines, and Vietnam are virtually closed and definitely closed to tourists. Immigrating as a non-tourist would be a PITA, and if Thailand goes with the Covid Pass crap then the other SEA countries will do the same.

Plan C is to return to either Texas or Florida, go to CDL school, and work the rest of my life.

I'm replying to your post because I thought read somewhere that the govt may soon dictate jabs as a requirement for CDL issuance. Have you heard any such thing? Same question but from the insurance company direction.

Because you mentioned Asia as your 'out', figured it might be some info for you on the current goings on.

Thanks, Glenn

My best bud here has works for Canon Copiers, nearly 40 years. They now gave them "surveys" on the vaccines, he ignored the last 1, now was given a 2nd to fill out. Asking health questions etc. Basicly, it's coming to where they will require them to get jabbed, or not have jobs.

He goes into 4 major hospitals here in So Cal. Said they are NOT Busy, no flooded with people in the ER's or rooms filled. So where's this big surge?? lol And with Phizer wanting a booster shot now, and told NO so far It's ALL bout the MONEY, and control period !! "Herd Immunity"? I ain't no damn cow, being led to slaughter.

I ain't gettin' no shots UNTIL, I really have to, so I can leave here, and move to Asia. These past near 2 years driving all 48, haven't caught so much as a common cold, even in snowy spots....

Folks, I know the media tries to make it look like a massive portion of the U.S. has had the vax, but that is absolutely not the case. Best estimates are that maybe 30% of U.S. have had the jab.

There is absolutely no chance this country can operate under any sort of mandate because the system will collapse. They've tried it in other countries and it falls apart quickly. They simply don't have the numbers to do it. Here's a great example:

Yahoo Finance did a poll asking how many people would avoid going to a restaurant if they required a vaccination card. There were 31,000 respondents and 80% said they would avoid that restaurant. That jives very well with the estimate that 70% of us are not vaxxed. You know 70% of us would avoid that restaurant, plus a portion of those who are vaxxed do not support mandates for the rest of us and would avoid those restaurants on principle.

Here's another example. They have vaccine mandates in France for restaurants. The restaurants are absolutely empty, and the French people have decided to host "picnics" in the middle of the street outside of restaurants. So the streets are jammed full of people picnicking on their own food while sitting outside of empty restaurants. Can you imagine being a restaurant owner who is bleeding money with empty seats and 20 feet outside of your restaurant the streets are packed with people eating???

I love it!

Check out the video from France: French Picnics Avoid Restaurants

How long do you think that can last?

Hold the line! Do not cave to mandates of any sort. We are the massive majority. Do not let mainstream media fool you!

By the way, I live in New York, so I'm in the worst state in the country right now. God Bless the Good Guys because they took down our Governor! But this war is far from over.

I'll chime in, since this is quite the interesting thread.

I haven't driven a truck in about 2 years, and have no intentions to get back in at this time, but I'm also curious about the idea of mandates. Particularly, if the DOT is going to mandate the jab in order to, say, get your medical card. I was talking to a trucker earlier today and that topic came up. He said he'd quit in a hot minute if they ever did.

This actually brings up another point - self-driving trucks. I get the impression that the large majority of truckers would sooner hang up their keys than take the jab. That means the shortage of drivers would get exponentially worse. Of course, they could be replaced with self-driving trucks, but, probably like Brett, I don't see those as being realistic. I got my CDL originally from a driving school in Philadelphia, and I always figured that if a self-driving car, let alone truck, could navigate that city without human intervention for 20 minutes, I'd be impressed. Any thoughts on either jab mandates or self-driving trucks?

I have my own opinions about the disease and the reactions to it from government and people alike, but for now I'll keep them to myself. Don't want responses to this message to go off the deep end.

As far as I'm concerned, understanding a disease and its treatment is almost entirely only possible through the work of science and the scientific method.

Nothing else in human history has anything close to science's track record of results in understanding the world or in then changing it.

There are always examples where one direction it seems to be pointing in is wrong, or where someone representing it fails to get something right, but the successes of the overall body of work enormously outweigh those errors, which are just part of the process, 'trial and error'.

People naturally form beliefs and belief systems from how their own emotions and interests create an intuition, which works fine for certain things a lot of the time. The problem is it's only created from past experience. Science has proven many counterintuitive things throughout history because the unknown by definition isn't always going to conform to what we've already experienced.

The Israelis apparently keep such good medical records that there's a lot we can see there on how the mRNA vaccines cause side effects. Scientists made the effort of taking the medical histories of 884,828 people who were vaccinated and comparing them with the records of 884,828 people who were not vaccinated, paired by age, risk factors, etc. They also compared the records of 173,106 unvaccinated people who caught COVID with a matched 173,106 unvaccinated people who never tested positive.

There's very little increased risk of any threatening side effect in the vaccinated population compared to the unvaccinated, and of course a much higher risk of many threatening 'side effects' of the disease itself compared to being vaccinated.

2.5 more people out of 10,000 had inflamnation of the heart after vaccination than how many unvaccinated people had it. And the likelihood of getting it after catching the disease itself was four times higher than it was after vaccination. Then there were hundreds or dozens of excess cases of kidney damage, pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, intracranial hemorrhage, and stroke in people who caught the disease vs. those who did not, of which there were no excess cases in those who'd been vaccinated.

The truth seems to be Las Vegas would say it's a far safer bet to take capitalism's for-profit vaccine than to let a cold and indifferent Mother Nature take its course (or wait for socialism's answer?). Meanwhile everytime the virus enters a new human body it hits the slot machine of at least six mutations, most of which won't change how it reproduces itself next time, but some do. Not sure how to ethically do a study to calculate the odds of it mutating so it has a much higher success rate of inflaming the heart tissue and damaging the cardiovascular system of 20-to-50-year-old-men, but it still has millions and billions of unvaccinated bodies to go through until it gets it right.

Safety of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Setting

As far as I'm concerned, understanding a disease and its treatment is almost entirely only possible through the work of science and the scientific method.

Science is a secondary product of human mind, it comes from universal desire to understand, to compary, to study. If you look at medical science ten or fifteen centuries old from our modern medical perpective it would look laughable, and exactly the same as doctors from the future will look at our medicine which we of course consider to be so advanced :-) This is a good reason for being cautious and not believe every single word from our "scientists." I am ready to listen, and I may try to understand, but I want to base my decisions on my own experience rather than on a blind faith in science.