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In addition to that his father lives in Kenosha.

He did cross state lines with a firearm as he was driven by his mother. He ended up in Wisconsin.

Yet another inaccurate statement based on a false media narrative. The rifle was purchased for him and stored in Kenosha.

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I’m just hoping folks on this forum understand that AON and Fox News are just as biased as CNN and MSNBC. If you’re truly a free thinker the bias of all of these sources is beyond obvious.

It's just so sad that people abandon all critical thinking for themselves, and instead choose to simply parrot what they've been told to think.

You say those animals are rioting & looting 

Who said that? I don't recall anybody here calling anybody animals.

The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories, as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality." [Wikipedia]

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia with facts, but even if true, that's not what this thread is about. It's about rioters and the dangers they create.

Rather than looking at the majority of the peaceful demonstrators, you single out the loud & unruly few. The lens is only pointing at what they want you to see. You live in mostly homogeneous communities where the police are your neighbors & friends.

The loud and unruly few always ruin it for everybody. If you're at a club and 2 people get into a fight, they shut it down. Loud and unruly few. You're assuming where people in this thread are from, but you chastise them for doing the same. The reality is that a lot of these folks are otr drivers and don't know any of the people they come into contact with. I can tell you that my experience with law enforcement has always been positive even if the outcome isn't. Yes sir, no sir is all you have to say and it makes a world of difference.

This glosses over the array of intensely local factors that influence crime. Violent crime in particular stems from a limited group of people in a limited area, so assuming that segment has a particular political bent based on the city at large — and that their violence stems from those politics — is a stretch at best.

A lot of the problem with violence in these cities is socioeconomic, not systemic racism. There are plenty of poor white counties that encounter the same problems. Broaden your horizons and speak to other people. Businesses aren't willing to operate in areas riddled with crime. It's why Walgreens is closing storefronts in California. More unemployed people means more crime.

neglect of cities by the federal government, it’s all because the various mayors and council members have a “D” after their names.

Believe it or not, the federal government doesn't focus on local municipalitys. That's not what it does. Local politics affect local cities. That D next to their name matters a lot. New York City under Giuliani and Bloomberg was much different than New York City under Dinkins and De Blasio. I was there for all of there terms.

I assumed and made an ass of myself on the race part

I'm more than willing to learn. You on the other hand just dismiss & ridicule.

It isn't anybody's job to teach you these things. You make assumptions and run with them. That's dangerous because you let the emotions that come from that cloud your judgement and logic. You're not open to hearing the real facts because you're defensive. We've had this conversation before.

Mikey, what I'm saying is that if a person of color were carrying an AR15? 

I've open carried an AR 15 at protests in Harrisburg. Never had an issue. State police and local police were cool about the whole thing because we were just protesting some anti 2A bills hitting the state legislatures floor.

Picture speaks 1000 words

A picture can say whatever narrative gets put on it. Look at the history of memes and that'll tell you everything. The OK sign isn't a white supremacists sign and the leader of the Proud boys is Afro-Cuban. Those white supremacists sure changed their standards.

I had just said:

What I want to avoid is incorrect information or poorly thought-out opinions....We must get our facts straight and we must form opinions based on fact and historical record.

Then Bklyn Dreams shows up and says, "Hold my beer. Watch this...."

Bklyn Dreams, you are a hot mess. I'm not sure you offered even one verifiable fact in the entirety of what you said. You did the exact thing I implore everyone not to do.......quote the mainstream media for your facts. The mainstream media is completely corrupt. They are all owned by a handful of people and they read from the same centralized script to promote the agendas and narratives of a handful of corrupt elites.

Kinda crazy to me splitter that after all this time you thought Rittenhouse shot unarmed black men.

It's funny, because no matter how ridiculous the mainstream point of view is, there will be a percentage of the population that believes it blindly. The media labeled Rittenhouse a racist and white supremacist. He's white, and he shot three white guys. Surely no one would be so incapable of critical thinking that they would believe that narrative, right?

Bklyn Dreams: "Hold my beer. Watch this...."

It's just so sad that people abandon all critical thinking for themselves, and instead choose to simply parrot what they've been told to think.

100% agree!

I respect the back and forth and that we don't always have to agree but in order for your side of the conversation to be taken seriously you need to know actual facts about that which you debate, not go by what you've been told or how you feel, thats all I'm saying. The facts are amost always available if you spend a few minutes looking for them

100% agree!

Folks, if you think you've done your research because you watched the news, you are part of the problem.

If you’re referring to the Kyle Rittenhouse fiasco, you really should educate yourself. 1. He didn’t cross state lines with a firearm 2. He didn’t kill black people. He defended himself against 3 white convicted felons. One was a chomo (absolutely no loss there) and the other two had a long list of violent crimes associated with them.

He did cross state lines with a firearm as he was driven by his mother. He ended up in Wisconsin.

Are you contending that someone gave him the weapon once he got there?

I’m telling you the charge was dropped by the state because that’s exactly what happened. I do appreciate the input Kerry but did you actually watch the case at all? Because I did. I kept track of it because of the ramifications of the outcome which was important to all Americans. Rittenhouse did not bring the rifle across state lines and by Wisconsin law, was of age to carry a long rifle so long as it was not concealed. The judge even went as far as to allow the prosecution to search deep in the law to find out if he had violated it in any way and they couldn’t.

It seems to me that this site is no different than the rest of the country. From my experience those with a political affiliation of D, S or P constantly spout off "facts" that are straight up wrong, stuff they heard on a liberal opinion "news site" or based on feelings. They argue with incorrect information because they are to...I don't know...lazy? Indifferent? Blissfully ignorant? Or they just find it easier not to have to actually look up the real FACTS. Then when corrected by those with actual FACTS, the correct facts, usually those with either a R for affiliation or no political affiliation, they tend to get offended and start offering up more and more incorrect assumptions based on their feelings and what someone told them. They are also the ones, like splitter and Kerry here, that try to turn it into a racial issue then blame the Republicans of being the decisive racists. I find it disheartening to say the least.

Biden and his party claim to be bringing Americans together but do everything they can to divide us by race, sex, sexual orientation, sexual preference, legal status, country of origin, political affiliation, religion, weight, body type, income, geographical location etc. How his believers fall for it and believe it (blindly) is beyond me. Even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder should be able to see whats going on.

Nobody at FOX News is mandated to get any vaccine to stay at the network as an employee. Where did you get that?

The policy was first reported by CNN."

CNN....Seriously? Facts, truth or news from there is akin to words written on a bathroom wall.

Banks, I don't know where in nyc you were but I was in Williamsburg, Bushwick, East New York & yes, my interactions with police were much different than yours until I was able to afford to live in East Flushing, Queens. There my interactions were more like what you describe.

Mayor Dinkins gave Giuliani the declining crime rates because of all the extra police he hired but was roasted for the riots in crown heights. He allocated funds for after-school programs that kept kids off streets. Giuliani forced his commissioner Ray Kelly to quit due to his ego getting in the way. Ray Kelly & his team of Arnone, Fitzgerald, I forget his 3rd deputy, came up with copstat to fight crime statistically & the Tactical Narcotics Team which all were doing great until corruption forced them to be disbanded. The same corruption that was depicted in the Documentary about Michael Dowd & the movie Dog Day afternoon which were investigated by the Dowd & Mullen commisions.

I referenced the experiment which showed a black guy & a white guy, each walking down the same street both dressed exactly the same, both carrying ARs but how they were treated was completely different. Exactly how it happened in the video from the Daily Beast. If Wikipedia isn't a good source you can Google NPR & the Atlantic for their coverage.

About how I saw folks view & describe the rioters & looters. People here have stated the opinion that because they had criminal records, theyre better off dead. You've been here long enough to remember the last time I participated in this conversation, along with the language that was used, under the Splitter name & why I left. I told Brett he was coopting the *I can't breathe* slogan for his grand plan. He started deleting my comments & monitoring my comments before he allowed them to be posted.

If you feel I implied that it was anyones JOB to teach me anything then your wrong. I'm engaging in a dialog not about statistics or heresay, I'm talking about my life & the things that happened in my life to shape my existence. From the outset, I said I'm not here to say you're wrong & I'm right.

Lastly, that picture I posted isn't a meme, it's from the Washington post article about the case.

Brett, I know that you & the moderators all knew that I was Splitter even before I said it on Donna's thread. I appreciate you allowing me to give back to the new drivers cause this site helped attain my goal. I've always maintained that it is your site & you can police it as you see fit. That's why I left.

About me parroting main stream media? I point to social experiments even show a sample of it. I quote respected leaders in the field. I point to the inequalities that persist. Yall call this a guns rights issue. Isn't that parroting main stream media? Aren't many of the counter points being made here talking points of the right?

You know what? Don't bother answering that. I'm the least qualified person on here to argue anything. I'm a first generation immigrant from a tiny town where everyone was related. I grew up in NYC from 69 to 18. I'm still a rookie truck driver even with 3.5 years experience. Everyday I learn new life lessons. I try to engage with people in civil discussions. I mostly pass my days in silence listening to hindu monks talk about spirituality. Everything that happens in this life is a lesson in introspection. Good, bad or indifferent. I did learn things from this exchange. I also have a criminal record but I shouldn't have to die because I feel strongly about racism & police brutality. Not due to mainstream media reports but 1st hand encounters. Huber had a criminal record yes but he was also a friend of Jacob Blake. For my friend? Yes, I'd run at a person with a gun. I've been shot at twice & robbed at gun point twice. I'm still here.

Packrat, I knew you'd seize on the CNN thingy that's why I left in. Vanity Fair, Market Watch along with many others quoted Kevin Lord from Fox's HR.

The general problem that I have with Democrats, liberals, progressives, whatever you want to call them can be summed up in the following analogy.

Conservative: We can agree that nails don't have threads and screws have threads. And you use hammers to drive nails and screwdrivers to turn screws?

Democrat: Yes. And we should use a hammer to drive that nail!

Conservative: But that has threads so it's a screw.

Democrat: Uh no, it's a threaded nail. You just need to hit it harder to drive it.

To set the record straight. Us justice department has African American at 13 percent of total population yet they commit more than 67 percent of violent crime. Given that number, reasonable to assume they may get profiled.

The numbers from the FBI are 33% for non-fatal violent crimes and 55% of homicides in 2019. It’s true, it’s disproportionate—when the only factor being evaluated is skin color. But when it comes to making reasonable assumptions about who is going to commit a violent crime, those numbers offer nothing.

The most important data you need to make a reasonable assumption about who is going to commit a crime is location. I like this study because they divided up the city of Boston into tiny little bits by street segments and intersections and pinpointed on the map thirty years of gun assaults and found that 3% of the city was responsible for more than 50% of those assaults.

If you’re not looking at where the crime is taking place, you can’t reasonably assume anything about who is commiting the crime. If you specifically look at where the crime is taking place, you’re also much more likely going to find out why it’s taking place.

Blacks are 13% of the total population and did account for 55.9% of all homicides in 2019. They also accounted for 54.7% of all homicide victims. Did the assailants commit the crimes because of their race, and were their victims racially targeted? Or did race have nothing to do with it, and the crime took place because of where they were both located?

Black people are more than twice as likely than White people to be poor, and from this research people with family incomes of less than $15,000 are three times more likely to be the victims of crime than people making at least $75,000.

It might make sense to profile Black people as being much more likely to be violent criminals, on certain street corners. It would also make sense to profile Black people as being much more likely to be victimized by violence, on certain street corners. The poorest areas of the largest cities host a disproportionate amount of violence, and certain races are far more likely to live there. The history of why they are far more likely to live there is an interesting read.

Alaska is the state with the highest amount of violent crime, and the reason why again comes down to location.