The Verdict Is In……. 110 Years Concurrent Life Sentences

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BK's Comment
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I saw a news report today that the apologists for the driver have succeeded in getting the Governor's office to review the case for re-sentencing or clemency. No decision has yet been made. Perhaps the sentence should be cut in half, 55 years. The driver could very well die in prison anyway unless he got paroled after a few decades.

Think about this: if the driver had also been killed in this horrific tragedy, would anybody be saying that he didn't get what he deserved? Or that it was so sad that his son would grow up without his dad? This would in fact be old news by now. The driver would be used as an example of how bad decisions and bad judgement can be fatal to not just the guilty but also to innocent victims.

BK's Comment
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All I know about Norway is that they say: "There's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing"

A good slogan for trucker's, especially for those still wearing flip flops in Wisconsin lately.

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Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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All I know about Norway is that they say: "There's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing"

A good slogan for trucker's, especially for those still wearing flip flops in Wisconsin lately.

LoL, good one, Bruce!

All 'i' partially remember/recall, is that they are legalizing (or have done so,) most if not all drugs ... for recreation/personal use; including opiates and heroin. Just not legal to sell'em.

The 'Nordic look' is cool, but I prefer the 'Italian' style, myself.

Hmmm. I don't know, either, then.

(Another Gorky Park? Oh wait. That was a SONG. I meant, Needle park. Switzerland. I get confused, haha!)

~ Anne ~

ps: MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL! THANKS AGAIN FOR MY WONDERFUL B'DAY CARD!!!

HOS:

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HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Steven E.'s Comment
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This is no longer about trucking. I do not want or intend to abuse the authority Brett has given me to ban Chris.

The best way to quiet Chris is to remove his platform. Stop replying to him. And he will move on.

Actually it has never been about trucking - and if so only peripherally. It seems to me so far there are two questions:

1. What was the driver's state of mind at the time of the accident?

2. Are Colorado's mandatory sentencing guidelines too harsh?

The first question is important because, if it was not in his mind to kill anyone he is not guilty of "murder" - at least not first-degree murder. In the Torah, for example, the distinction is drawn between "killing at unawares" and killing with the specific intent of taking a person's life. Our legal system has something very similar in the different types of crimes involved when someone loses his life at someone else's hands - first-degree or second-degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, criminally negilgent homicide, etc. Interesting, this driver was not convicted of murder but of assault and attempted assault.

From what I have gathered, a lot of what led to the petitions on behalf of the driver was, unhappiness with the mandatory sentencing guidelines in Colorado. I will be interested in what happens from here.

G-Town's Comment
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Steven E wrote:

How is unsafe operation of an 80k CMV , and the ensuing carnage not about trucking?

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This is no longer about trucking. I do not want or intend to abuse the authority Brett has given me to ban Chris.

The best way to quiet Chris is to remove his platform. Stop replying to him. And he will move on.

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Actually it has never been about trucking - and if so only peripherally. It seems to me so far there are two questions:

1. What was the driver's state of mind at the time of the accident?

2. Are Colorado's mandatory sentencing guidelines too harsh?

The first question is important because, if it was not in his mind to kill anyone he is not guilty of "murder" - at least not first-degree murder. In the Torah, for example, the distinction is drawn between "killing at unawares" and killing with the specific intent of taking a person's life. Our legal system has something very similar in the different types of crimes involved when someone loses his life at someone else's hands - first-degree or second-degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, criminally negilgent homicide, etc. Interesting, this driver was not convicted of murder but of assault and attempted assault.

From what I have gathered, a lot of what led to the petitions on behalf of the driver was, unhappiness with the mandatory sentencing guidelines in Colorado. I will be interested in what happens from here.

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  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards
Steven E.'s Comment
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Steven E wrote:

How is unsafe operation of an 80k CMV , and the ensuing carnage not about trucking?

It is. But, judging by the 12 pages of comments posted on this subject, those aspects were dealt with so it stopped being about trucking some time ago.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Steven E.'s Comment
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I was addressing the legal issues involved and the way the story has taken shape, especially this past week.

Chris P.'s Comment
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...and there it is.....a lawless and Godless society. Thank you, Chris, for being clear about your aspirations. There is no question who we're dealing with.

Norway is actually mostly Christian.

Shouldn't people strive to do things to the best of their abilities? Especially when anything less can lead to fatality and injury.

Sure, people should do things to the best of their ability, but sometime that's not good enough.

Then how can you respect what he's done? Maybe you should educate yourself on what's happening locally before preaching about what should be changed nationally.

You take things out of context. I said "From what I do know" meaning the stuff I do know about him. I can't judge the things I don't know about that he has done.

Educate us. Tell us what's happening in Norway that's so great. I'm asking for specifics because so far, I just hear the usual talking points.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/norway/freedom-world/2020 Highest ranking for the most freedom.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-happiest-countries-2021/index.html 8th happiest country in the world.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/income-inequality-by-country Second lowest net gini.

And of course, the one I've already talked up considerably: Lowest recidivism rates. They're not just talking points. I've read various articles over the years and remembered the summary. Also, I responded to your other stuff, Banks, but it was all censored, which is also why I refuse to put a lot of effort into going beyond, "talking points".

Steven E.'s Comment
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Https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/12/colorado_da_celebrates_with_grotesque_trophy_after_trucker_whose_brakes_failed_sentenced_to_110_years_in_prison.html

I found this article interesting.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Banks's Comment
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None of that is what I asked for. I asked what are they doing specifically. You just supplied more talking points, but I'll burst the bubble anyway.

Norway is a uniform country. Meaning, if you immigrate to Norway, you do things the Norwegian way. There is no taking your culture with you. They also have very strict immigration laws and there's a cap on how many asylum seekers they'll take in. When they take in asylum seekers, they put them in rural areas and they're expected to assimilate. You won't see a China Town or Little Italy in Norway.

Again, all of this is very easy to do when your country's population is less than New York City (not state, just the city).

If your such a fan of Norway, you should move there. Only problem would be that they'd probably turn you away since you don't have any skills they're clamoring for and you don't own a large business.

Must be nice to control who crosses your borders without being called names... Or is Norway racist too?

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