WA State DOL (DMV) Requirements Before And After February 7th.
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So, for most of us, we are limited to the few schools listed on WA DOL, and calling each carrier to see if they are approved.
FALSE. Here's how I did it. I applied for a company school and was accepted. The company sent me to a school in Colorado. I traded my WA license for a CO CDL. My company routed my truck back to Washington. I traded my CO CDL and $212 USD for a WA CDL. No one asked me what school I went to. While Washington can put restrictions on who they will issue a CDL to, due to reciprocity agreements and federal laws Washington MUST recognize any valid CDL from any other state.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
I did the same thing, except mine was for Virginia.
You will have to take the validity up with my source, WA DOL, and my source about Prime, Kearsey. I am not looking to go to a private pay-for school. If I do I will have lots of choices. I am looking to go to a carrier's in-house school. The information provided concern those.
That said, thank you for the tip about getting an out-of-state license and then transferring it. Where a state does not have a residency requirement it definitely opens things up.
As for my personal action, I will highly likely go with a first employer which is approved by WA, and has their own school. I will be adding those as I learn who they are.
So, for most of us, we are limited to the few schools listed on WA DOL, and calling each carrier to see if they are approved.
FALSE. Here's how I did it. I applied for a company school and was accepted. The company sent me to a school in Colorado. I traded my WA license for a CO CDL. My company routed my truck back to Washington. I traded my CO CDL and $212 USD for a WA CDL. No one asked me what school I went to. While Washington can put restrictions on who they will issue a CDL to, due to reciprocity agreements and federal laws Washington MUST recognize any valid CDL from any other state.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Packrat, did you go to a carrier's in house school? If so, can I ask who the carrier is?
As said to Pacific Pearl, getting another state's license and transferring it certainly opens things up.
I did the same thing, except mine was for Virginia.
Yes, I attended Careers World Wide that is a school CRST used. We set up a phony, paper lease to show residence in Colorado, then took that to the CO DMV for our learners permit. After completing all driving test requirements, we were issued our CO CDL licenses. It was just a matter of swapping this over to my VA license when I returned.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Dm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.DMV:
Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles
The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.
Any credo (or relativity) to this???
Just .. confusing. I'm wondering if this 'BILL' wouldn't be a good thing, to override (or at least attempt) this hurdle with WA?
Best, y'all. (Miss ya, Rickipedia!)
~ Anne ~
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Thank you all. I know Colorado has a very good private school, so this is good info Packrat. Not sure that it will work in 2022 though, unfortunately.
This is in part what I was referring to with my original post. WA can, and will these days, refuse a CDL issued in another state. Apparently, Prime is one of the carriers affected by this, from what I gather. I am sure there are others as well.
One thing though; the new ELDT laws may well make this issue go away for some of the larger carriers. WA would likely eventually cave to the pressure, --however that's pure guessing on my part.
Excerpt from article written by CNS Drivers Training center, published on August 11th, 2021, which is the first one I found, with links to the laws governing state of domicile.
What does the FMCSA Say Regarding “The State of domicile”? In 2015, the FMCSA established 49 CFR Part 383.79 that states, “The State of domicile [your home state] of a CDL applicant must accept the results of a driving skills test administered to the applicant by any other State, in accordance with subparts F, G, and H of this part, in fulfillment of the applicant’s testing requirements under § 383.71, and the State’s test administration requirements under § 383.73.”
It was later clarified in 2017 that states of domicile may (but are not required to) accept knowledge test results from other States in the same manner, provided there is an agreement between the testing State and the applicant’s State of domicile.
This guidance does not mean a State is allowed to issue a CLP or CDL to an individual who is not domiciled in that State. Both the CLP and the CDL must be issued by your home state, as required by 49 U.S.C. 31311(a)(12)(A).
My intent is to leave information so that people coming across this know their options while choosing to stay in full compliance with the law. This would be for persons with legal residence in WA state who have no intent on moving.
Did either of you get your CDL prior to 2015? It is my understanding that the law at that time was different.
Getting a list of states which will issue a CDL without domicile, and where WA state will honor the reciprocity will be very helpful to everyone needing the info I think. I do intend to ask both WA DOL and FMCSA as I come across it. If anyone else has up-to-date info it is most welcome as well.
Again, personally I will be A OK as I intend to go with a carrier which is already approved as a training institution by WA state.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
- Commercial Drivers' Licenses
- Data and Analysis
- Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
- Research and Technology
- Safety Assistance
- Support and Information Sharing
Dm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.OOS:
When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.
CLP:
Commercial Learner's Permit
Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.
Excerpt with links corrected, pardon me. Had a pay-attention-problem with the auto-closing tags in VS code.
What does the FMCSA Say Regarding “The State of domicile”? In 2015, the FMCSA established 49 CFR Part 383.79 that states, “The State of domicile [your home state] of a CDL applicant must accept the results of a driving skills test administered to the applicant by any other State, in accordance with subparts F, G, and H of this part, in fulfillment of the applicant’s testing requirements under § 383.71, and the State’s test administration requirements under § 383.73.”
It was later clarified in 2017 that states of domicile may (but are not required to) accept knowledge test results from other States in the same manner, provided there is an agreement between the testing State and the applicant’s State of domicile.
This guidance does not mean a State is allowed to issue a CLP or CDL to an individual who is not domiciled in that State. Both the CLP and the CDL must be issued by your home state, as required by 49 U.S.C. 31311(a)(12)(A).
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
- Commercial Drivers' Licenses
- Data and Analysis
- Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
- Research and Technology
- Safety Assistance
- Support and Information Sharing
Dm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.CLP:
Commercial Learner's Permit
Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.
I got mine in NOV 2015.
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Creating this post for anyone from WA state who comes across it, and who are considering paid training through a carriers school.
I have spoken with multiple people at the WA DOL, last conversation was with their CDL division.
We all know the FMCSA is starting up a database on February 7th. What may not be generally known, is that WA is the only state in the US who enforce their own, stricter training standards, to where all training providers must be approved by them, whether a college, a private school, or a carrier who offers training.
Per the DOL this is NOT changing after February 7th. The only change is that now a school approved by WA state also has to be approved by FMCSA. The listed private schools (& colleges) can be found on their website. Per the rep I spoke with at the CDL division today, they do not keep a list of approved training carriers.
The last CDL division rep I spoke to last week, did have a helpful hint. He said folks who live near the border often get a PO box / or residency in Portland Oregon. This lets them go with the school of their choosing, and then transfer their Oregon License to WA after the fact.
Here's the thing though. You must prove you live in Oregon, so many of us cannot do this, as we live too far away from the border. I believe there also is a minimum time of residency requirement, but wasn't able to learn what that is.
So, for most of us, we are limited to the few schools listed on WA DOL, and calling each carrier to see if they are approved.
I will add to this as I learn who is and is not approved.
Right off I can tell you Prime is not. To work for them, either go to a private school & sign up after / get a prehire letter, or find an approved carrier and work your first year through them.
All the best, Lil'Red.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.Prehire:
What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?
Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.
We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.
A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment
The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.
During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.
OOS:
When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.