Let's Hear It - What Do You Guys Think About The Canadian Truckers?

I'd prefer if people stayed away from her and we'll try and avoid groups of people where we can. Obviously we can't live in a bubble forever but we can be proactive about it. That's all I'm saying, not sure the point you're trying to make.

My point is very simple. In my understanding it is OK to prefer, and even more so to ask, but when people start telling other people what they should do, it is not OK. To bring it back to our topic, why would people going to the same place as you, such as a grocery store, have to stay away from you, wear mask and/or get vaccinated only because you find them dangerous? It makes more sense to me if you keep a distance or do not go to that place at all. I don't know, at lease this is what I would do if I cared about this fake pandemic.

1) Effectiveness of Vaccines: My MD, (a licensed AMA member with about 15 years of experience including combat medicine in the sandbox and ER MD in Los Angeles *two combat zones in his career*) on Thursday, asked me if I was vaxxed when I tested negative for the 'rona. He also said "We are finding that people that have been vaxxed and boosted are still getting it" and "The vaxx seems to mask the infection, so that the rapid test doesn't detect it. Seems only the PCR test is effective at detecting infection, people testing negative on the rapid are coming positive same day on the PCR." Then he suggested the I should get the vaxx. I had 'rona in February 2020, before there was a test for it. I had it again in late January this year, determined by a positive on a rapid (likely the Unicron variant). In my area of AZ, the PCR test is not available anywhere nearby, and appointments were over four days delayed. Testing was a screaming point for Karen and Kevin two years ago - now, not so much.

2) I don't think the USA version is going to be completely about 'rona, 'vid, or the unicorn variant. I think individual liberties ( a concept that spans MANY different topics ) will become the talking point. The media and establishment will do everything they can to paint this as a racist, anti-woman, anti-pretty-much-every-protected-class event. Doesn't matter if it is or isn't. They will create a perception of something, hammer the point, and the end result will be as it always is - "Perception creates reality".

I will be monitoring the upcoming "People's Convoy" outta Barstow, and if it looks like there is a real event, I will slide north on I17 to I40 to participate as a side-roader when it rolls through Flagstaff.

Here is my issue with the one coming up in the USA. While I applaud the Canadians for their stand, their political system is significantly different than ours. Here, these issues tend to polarize along 'party' lines, and more recently along personality lines. I gave up over thirty years of my life defending your right to worship, vote, speak and think as you wish, and willingly so. I am offended, however, by imagery suggesting that because I don't support one personality or the other, I have descended into sub-human status. Thus, I shall wear a WHITE shirt when I go there, so I don't get affiliated with any particular arse-hat from either particular gathering.

No need to flame me - I respect all y'all for what you do on a daily basis. We have folks from many nations here in TT, so this needs to be kept in a sorta academia level discussion. If you are participating in the upcoming, I'll be the dude in the tan bowler, or maybe I'll wear my brown topper. And, yes, I'll be doing the MP "Increase Speed" shoulder to overhead fist pump. In my playground days at Wheatland School, we thought it meant "Honk That Horn!"

Banks said:

The CDC and vaccine manufacturers say the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes over time, that's why there's a need for boosters.

This is common with other vaccines too. This article was written in April of 2019, before covid19:

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer

It's not just flu. Recent studies show vaccines for mumps, pertussis, meningococcal disease, and yellow fever also lose their effectiveness faster than official immunization recommendations suggest.

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Vaccines are approved and come to market years before it's clear how long protection lasts. Later, fading protection can go unnoticed because a vaccine in wide use has largely eliminated transmission of the microbes it protects against, making "breakthrough" infections rare.

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And declining vaccine immunity is not an all-or-nothing phenomenon: A breakthrough infection often leads to much less severe symptoms of the disease.

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"We simply don't know what the rules are to inducing long-lasting immunity," says Plotkin, who began to research vaccines in 1957. Plotkin is one of the world's most renowned vaccinologists, having had a hand in several vaccines on the market, including the one for rubella, and is the co-author of the standard medical textbook, Vaccines.

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For the flu, both killed (also known as inactivated) and live virus vaccines exist—and neither offers sturdy protection. Even when they closely match the circulating strains of influenza viruses, both types protect only about 60% of vaccinated people. And those modest immune responses rapidly wane.

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In people who receive the flu vaccine but become ill, the disease often is markedly less severe. Such partial protection was first recognized more than a century ago with the smallpox vaccine, which fully prevents disease for only a few decades, but powerfully shields people from severe illness and death for life.

When the FDA approved the Pfizer shot, they said their decision was based on clinical trials that showed it was around 90% effective in preventing symptomatic infection, but also said they collected zero data at all on asymptomatic infection. To me that means they were never interested in a vaccine that prevents all infection/transmission. And just like with how hit or miss it is each year with the flu vaccines due to how quickly it mutates into different strains, these vaccines no longer match the dominant variants.

I don't agree with the vaccine being mandated. I've just grown interested in learning about medical science.

I think a lot of that depends on the specific virus and how well it adapts or doesn't adapt to the changing conditions in the body. I also think hygiene plays a hand in things along with what we've learned over the last get l few decades. People wash their hands after using the restroom and they cough into their hands or elbows.

To me that means they were never interested in a vaccine that prevents all infection/transmission.

That may be true, but that's not what was said. If you go back Biden, Fauci, Rachel Maddow all the said the exact opposite. They said the vaccine would prevent infection and spreading, but they say whatever they have to, to get you to do what they want you to do.

The manipulation is the most frustrating part. The constant lies and theatre that takes place, it's comical. The questions I have to ask, that never get answered are why are they pushing so hard for a vaccine for a virus that has killed less than 1% of the population? Why are they so resistant to other forms of treatment? It's all weird.

I don't agree with the vaccine being mandated. I've just grown interested in learning about medical science

Same. People don't know how to disagree and have a civil debate anymore. It's all name calling and other forms of disrespect.

Hay guys ....

Thoughts ?!?!? .... Convoy?

And this: ... Cali Convoy?

Convergence?!?

Thanks for y'all's thoughts & input!

~ Anne ~

The convoy from California is going to have one helluva time getting off the Kaibab Plateau.

Mass media and the current administration will do everything that they are capable of to characterize this As A racist, homophobic, anti LGBTMT whatever other protected class you care to include, Domestic terrorism event. Wait for it. Even if it's not, that's how it's going to be cast.

Howdy, peeps:

Is anyone here in the US still following, or has this lost its steam & appeal ??

The 'convoy' is supposed to come through Cambridge, Ohio tomorrow evening; I'm trying to see if Tom can get a Colgate run, and ride along with him, there. Just to be 'nosey,' I guess....haha!

People's Convoy to Ohio!

There's just not been much 'hoopla' about the fun, on THIS side of the CN/US border.

Thoughts? Sightings? Any TT Participants?

Thanks, y'all!

~ Anne ~

Nothing I've seen in the northern midwest.

The Midwest freedom convoy will depart Sioux City IA at 4am, stop for breakfast I Altoona (des moines) around 815am and head east on I80 around 9am. State Patrol is confident they won't be blocking traffic during their demonstration. I'll probably take a route that day to avoid I80.

The Midwest freedom convoy will depart Sioux City IA at 4am, stop for breakfast I Altoona (des moines) around 815am and head east on I80 around 9am. State Patrol is confident they won't be blocking traffic during their demonstration. I'll probably take a route that day to avoid I80.

Oh goody! Guess who will be on I-80 tomorrow morning???