C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

Even worse, now a certain individual wants to silence me when this website is only one of a very few places that I can hope to find somebody else who has already been through this and beat it.

That is not true. Not one bit.

Fact is you silenced me...you don’t care what I have to say about anything. I’m crushed...

So then why should I go out of my way to approve your posts?

Other mods obviously are so you have nothing to complain about.

I don't have the power nor the will to silence you. Fact of that matter is, you have been throwing shade on me from the very start, which is your prerogative, but don't sit there and expect me to care about what you say to me when every time I read anything from you, it is you constantly trying to diminish anything I say by attempting to constantly attack my character. You had your mind made up about me with your very first post. You set the stage between us, not me. I came here out of desperation and you kicked me when I was down. That's okay, I am a big guy and can handle it, but that sure doesn't mean that I am going to listen to somebody who constantly berates me. Probably best if you and I just don't talk. Nothing good will come out of it. Agree to disagree and let's move on from one another.

How so? I thought that hair follicle tests were for the exacting reason, to put a 'time stamp' on the drug use. (ie: if the client has been using over a period of time, even up to (and past) a year.) It would go back farther than three weeks, no?

The new test would also go back more than three weeks, but how would you know the drug use that showed up last time wasn't at the very end of how far back it could go? Three weeks later, the hair sample might no longer show drug use, but that couldn't rule out the possibility that it really was there last time.

Your original post clearly stated that you didn’t expect anyone to believe your story. I don’t... and several others have stated the same thought.

You were given advice, most of which you haven’t taken. I don’t think you’ll find what you’re looking for... good luck.

Even worse, now a certain individual wants to silence me when this website is only one of a very few places that I can hope to find somebody else who has already been through this and beat it.

That is not true. Not one bit.

Fact is you silenced me...you don’t care what I have to say about anything. I’m crushed...

So then why should I go out of my way to approve your posts?

Other mods obviously are so you have nothing to complain about.

I don't have the power nor the will to silence you. Fact of that matter is, you have been throwing shade on me from the very start, which is your prerogative, but don't sit there and expect me to care about what you say to me when every time I read anything from you, it is you constantly trying to diminish anything I say by attempting to constantly attack my character. You had your mind made up about me with your very first post. You set the stage between us, not me. I came here out of desperation and you kicked me when I was down. That's okay, I am a big guy and can handle it, but that sure doesn't mean that I am going to listen to somebody who constantly berates me. Probably best if you and I just don't talk. Nothing good will come out of it. Agree to disagree and let's move on from one another.

How so? I thought that hair follicle tests were for the exacting reason, to put a 'time stamp' on the drug use. (ie: if the client has been using over a period of time, even up to (and past) a year.) It would go back farther than three weeks, no?

The new test would also go back more than three weeks, but how would you know the drug use that showed up last time wasn't at the very end of how far back it could go? Three weeks later, the hair sample might no longer show drug use, but that couldn't rule out the possibility that it really was there last time.

The same could be said if I had taken another drug test as soon as I found out. It's a week later. So in one aspect you have 1 week later out of a year, the other way you have three weeks out of a year. Either way you have the same problem. I can't just lay back and let the trucking industry damn me over this. I have to try. I would rather try and fail than not try at all and wonder.

The trucking industry isn’t damning you over anything. Neither is CR England. Your story is simply to hard to believe. From what I am reading you could in theory ingest meth through oral sex or bodily fluids but not enough that would cause you to pass the threshold on a drug test. She wasn’t cooking meth in the house. So that leaves you with it being orally ingested since you didn’t snort it, smoke it, or inject it. Or you say the drug test was tainted by coincidence the same drug your wife uses. So what she laced your coffee or something? I dunno man. A lot of holes in this story.

I'm just going to go out on a limb that your story is credible for a minute.

How was she using it?

Only a few ways: snorting, drinking it, smoking it, shooting it IV. Of those ways, it's common to put it in water if you're drinking it, which is usually a last resort for people who have destroyed their nasal passages and can no longer snort it. If, by some chance, you grabbed a drink she had it in, possibly could have been in your system.

A whole lot of ifs. Most likely she was smoking it, the most common use pattern. For you to have it show up, you would have been in close proximity and known she was doing something. Obviously the other patterns of use wouldn't effect you.

If she was making it, it would be bathtub crank, it's low grade, ephedrine based rather than crystalized methedrine. (Btw, meth, was originally called crystal meth because of that, different than the drug that is used today) But again, you would have had to be in close contact, and it would have been readily appearant.

By the time an addict is using IV, it would be extremely noticable to everyone, it's usually the final stages of addiction.

So basically, there's a very slim chance that you could have accidentally ingested some if conditions were just perfect. But even if that is the case, there's not much you can do, and it doesn't serve you will to insult the very group your asking advice from.

If you take it a few steps down the line, say you got hired and this didn't come up, is this how you would respond when given advice you don't want to hear? If your trainer and instructors tell you you need to do things differently or better are they in the wrong? How will you handle criticism and stress of trucking? It doesn't bode well.

The trucking industry isn’t damning you over anything. Neither is CR England. Your story is simply to hard to believe. From what I am reading you could in theory ingest meth through oral sex or bodily fluids but not enough that would cause you to pass the threshold on a drug test. She wasn’t cooking meth in the house. So that leaves you with it being orally ingested since you didn’t snort it, smoke it, or inject it. Or you say the drug test was tainted by coincidence the same drug your wife uses. So what she laced your coffee or something? I dunno man. A lot of holes in this story.

You're right, there are indeed a lot of holes in my "story" because I don't have the answers. I am trying to get it figured out. I DO NOT use drugs, period. Nor have I ever used drugs. That is the ONE thing that I know for sure. I don't get high, I have no need to get high. I don't even know what it is like to get high other than what I have seen in movies and TV. I see how people act when they are high, they act like they are out of their damn minds and belong in a mental institute. I'm sorry that I am unable to give you a complete story that has no holes in it. Sadly, I cannot do that because I don't have all the facts, and chances are I never will have them all. If I was somehow low dosed, I will never even know that for a fact because the person that had the ability to do so, will never admit to that, in fact she would take it to her grave.

I get it, from your perspective I probably seem like I am full of it. However, if this had happened to you, you would most likely be doing the exact same thing I am. I just hope it never does happen to you, because if it ever does...God help you, nobody else will.

I'm just going to go out on a limb that your story is credible for a minute.

How was she using it?

I honestly couldn't tell you. I never noticed any track marks and she has all of her teeth. So the obvious signs weren't there. She wasn't a tweeker either, there was no obvious signs other than she went from being sweet and quiet to suddenly constantly raging over the smallest of things, punching walls, punching glass with her bare fists, she even once stabbed a dresser over 100 times with a screw driver while talking to herself. That last part came after I had discovered she was on meth. The mood changes are what got me looking, trying to find out if she were on something. But I couldn't call her out on it until I had the evidence.

Only a few ways: snorting, drinking it, smoking it, shooting it IV. Of those ways, it's common to put it in water if you're drinking it, which is usually a last resort for people who have destroyed their nasal passages and can no longer snort it. If, by some chance, you grabbed a drink she had it in, possibly could have been in your system.

If I was indeed drugged by her in some way, I have no way of knowing how. I wish I could tell you how, but I cannot say since I don't know and she denies the accusation against her. Until my test results come back, I won't know for sure that she has drugged me until then. For all I know, when CR England tested me, it could have been a botched test. I'll find out soon enough; about 5 to 7 business days.

So basically, there's a very slim chance that you could have accidentally ingested some if conditions were just perfect. But even if that is the case, there's not much you can do, and it doesn't serve you will to insult the very group your asking advice from.

If I indeed do have meth in my system, I don't believe it was some accident. I am just open to all possibilities is all. If it is indeed in my system, then the most logical answer is that she literally drugged me in an attempt to not lose me. I have video of her going off the deep end, if you seen the video, you would understand that doing something like that is not only well within her capabilities, but also something she would attempt to do if she thought it would be a method of keeping me. I took out an EPO on her (Emergency Protective Order) because she has literally threatened my life, saying, "If I cannot have you, I'll be damned if I am going to let another woman have you." And then she went to one of our mutual friends (was mutual, our mutual friend is no longer friends with her because of this) and repeated that statement to her. I'm a big dude, she wouldn't stand a chance against me, but I can't stay awake all the time, nor am I all that good at dodging bullets. So yeah, she literally had me fearing for my life and my daughter's life.

Your last statement, I took quite a bit of insults from this community and I manned through it. So if I insulted anyone in return, all I can say is, don't dish out what you can't take? (not you specifically, just in general.) I'm not a punching bag, I won't just take it and then turn the other cheek.

If you take it a few steps down the line, say you got hired and this didn't come up, is this how you would respond when given advice you don't want to hear? If your trainer and instructors tell you you need to do things differently or better are they in the wrong? How will you handle criticism and stress of trucking? It doesn't bode well.

I have already been in training, and believe it or not, I was the guy telling this same very thing to a young guy who was getting pretty heated because our trainer was telling him how to drive. I take direction very well, what I don't take very well is disrespect. There is a huge difference. What doesn't bode well with me is being accused of something I didn't do, and then being told that I am in denial about it. I said earlier that I don't expect anyone to believe me (as my favorite poster pointed out) but that is not me giving people permission to berate me over it. I came here looking for help, not judges and executioners. This may be the Trucking Truth, but it also says that this website is, "The Most Friendly And Helpful Trucker's Forum Anywhere." Instead what I got is people attacking my character, telling me I am in denial and all that other dung. Great, don't believe me, their choice, but they sure aren't helping me by repeatedly telling me that they don't believe me and attempting to have me blackwalled from this web site. I didn't come here looking for trouble, but I'll be damned if I am just going to be all passive and let people dish out their garbage all over my face and not at very least come back with something a bit more intelligible yet holding my ground. I am not the one attacking people's character here. I'm not the one on the offensive, I have been on the defensive side of this. So maybe that question would fit better being asked to the people doing the attacking. Seems like a novel idea to me.

OMG... Blackballed?

Hell no, total BS. You were not Blackballed, otherwise you could no longer post here.

Drug tests are not infallible. Get a repeat and talk to an attorney. Tests are very accurate. In the 90 percentile however anything from poor technique on the LCMS to a ****ty tech can skew results. On urine with the reagent tests being used there are things that can cause false positives which is why they reflex to LCMS for verification on these chain of custody tests. Coming into trucking now from another career. I know the issues pretty well with testing and there are some problems. Very few which doesn't work in your favor. It certainly is possible that something went wrong. Right now you are just in a ****ed position and going to have to fight.

I read some of the comments. Still am taking the story at face value and not trying to pick holes in it. It is now kind of a "legal" matter. Hopefully the OP will get sound legal and medical advice.

Here is a fact that should blow up most of the bull****. Hair follicle tests aren't used in legal proceedings. Wow, is there a message there?

Good luck sir as you work through this. I've seen "false" positives create problems for folks. As I said before, your position is a tough one. You'll have to fight through this if you really want to drive commercially or do anything safety sensitive. Is what it is. Sorry man. Just keep working with that attorney and get some stuff done to clear your name