Hey Anna A.!

Actually, Pitt doesn't do doubles/ triples (at least here) it's all 53ft trailers. Their linehaul operation is mostly nights, but the pay is 0.71 CPM (here, but it's based on where you live). The insurance is 80/20 with no deductible, 1k max out of pocket and 25 dollar copays.

I see Pitt doubles on I-80 in OH and PA quite often.

Interesting. I've never seen them and they don't require the endorsement for employment.

Interesting. I've never seen them and they don't require the endorsement for employment.

When you say "Pitt," talking about Pitt-Ohio, right?

I just did a Google image search for "Pitt Ohio doubles." No doubles in images. I must be losing my mind. I could have sworn that I have seen them. I know that I have seen the trucks. They pass me all the time with my 65 governed.

I stand corrected.

Actually, Pitt doesn't do doubles/ triples (at least here) it's all 53ft trailers. Their linehaul operation is mostly nights, but the pay is 0.71 CPM (here, but it's based on where you live). The insurance is 80/20 with no deductible, 1k max out of pocket and 25 dollar copays.

Tom is TOTALLY used to nights, by choice...this is sounding better EVERY day! Didn't know all this; I barely spoke to Cassie on Thursday, and spoke of trying to 'meet up' via phone, on Monday.

Wow, that insurance STILL sounds awesome; so much better than FAB, for sure. I'll have to look into the logistics, not that pulling pups again would 'hurt' the ole' guy; it's just not the top choice. Then again, in so many ways, could be worth it. Thanks.... tons!

Hey Anne, are you near any ECM transport terminals? I believe they merged with Pitt Ohio. They do advertise for AM hours claiming most no touch freight. With “occasional” pallet jack unloading.

ECM is owned by Werner. They share yards with Pitt, but they're expected to be out in 4 or 5 years.

ECM has a HUGE presence in Ohio. This girl is going to be busy...Monday! Couldn't find ANYTHING about either company, merging; We are sure open, to all info...and HUGELY grateful! MANY terminals are close enough; didn't realize their huge presence up in here; wow! Thanks, and well worth a call ~

Akron 184 Massillon Road Akron, OH 44312

Akron (Airport) 1381 Exeter Rd Akron, OH 44306

Ashland **** 1220 East Main St Ashland, OH 44805

Cincinnati 5000 Duff Drive Cincinnati, OH 45246

Cleveland 15225 Industrial Parkway Cleveland, OH 44135

Fremont 105 Paula Drive Fremont, OH 43420

Columbus **** 2101 Hardy Parkway Street Grove City, OH 43123

Lima 2475 Saint Johns Rd Rt 65 Lima, PA 45801

Toledo 5200 Stickney Ave Toledo, OH 43612

Toledo (MCS) 815 Lemoyne Road Northwood, OH 43619

Twinsburg 9158 North Boyle Parkway Twinsburg, OH 44087

**** are the closest to us.

Dayton also seems to be a good company that pays well at 0.74 CPM for linehaul and 31.20 per hour for P/D. He'd be looking at a 8 or 9 PM start time running Monday night-Saturday morning, home daily on linehaul.

We LOVE Dayton Freight; sadly, their closest terminal IS ... (wait for it...) in Dayton. Almost two hours away. Total bummer. They used to email him before technology had the 'location' assistance filters.

Estes is in Mansfield; Union of course. No matter, either way .. Tom applied there a few times years back; never even got a call . No reasons..that we ever know/knew of. Totally clean slate; even the experience with FX/LH. They just don't hire, out of 'their' box; it appears. I'm still pals with the brother of a driver of over 11 years, and .. it just 'IS' .. or so they say. Alrighty.

ODFL is in Mansfield, as well. I've just heard (from here) that even with his almost 20 years experience, it'll still be a 'start at the bottom' type of job. I really don't know, Delco Dave..what say you? ABF is indeed at the same industrial park right by FedEx, on Airport Road. Mansfield Lahm is a military base for the National Guard, only on standby mode now, per Tom.

We never really thought of the LTL/linehaul world. The comfort bubble/zone we (he) had...we counted on, for forever. If anyone reads the 'start up' of FAB, you'd have thought so, also. Fred, Anne, and Brian Bartuch really had things going well; then again, logistics is quite 'flippant' as a whole, these days. The ORIGINAL 'FAB' three... Express!

You guys really made my (AND HIS!) day, with all the input. Don, I hope some of this info helps YOU, as well.

One thing rings true, y'all know your stuff, and y'all try to help your peeps. For this, I'm grateful always (and busy as heck on Monday!)

Can't thank enough; we are just SO unfamiliar with the LTL world anymore; it's not the building and/or breaking sets, but more the who starts at the bottom of which barrel. At Tom's age, he really doesn't see any joy having to load and/or unload. A pallet Jack here & there, sure; he's done that for FAB (and even grabbed a forklift a time or ten, to move things along.)

To everyone of y'all, we are grateful. Two months (and thinning) ... it's all a 'who knows' kind of game, yet the information from y'all on the top of your gigs here, really means a lot.

We are BOTH open to ANY and ALL suggestions you may have; thanks so much from both of us! As the ECM entity is HUGE around us; Tom has seen them, yet never thought twice... I'll definitely look into them, even if they ARE owned elsewhere. Pitt Ohio sounds really really good; I'll further that conversation with Cassie, moving on. Large LTL's don't seem to want him, no idea why.

Always grateful, ~Anne&Tom~

Interesting. I've never seen them and they don't require the endorsement for employment.

Interesting. I've never seen them and they don't require the endorsement for employment.

When you say "Pitt," talking about Pitt-Ohio, right?

I just did a Google image search for "Pitt Ohio doubles." No doubles in images. I must be losing my mind. I could have sworn that I have seen them. I know that I have seen the trucks. They pass me all the time with my 65 governed.

I stand corrected.

I really don't recall seeing 'sets'/doubles for them in EONS, either. Somehow I was born into this trucking world, and I recall the doubles..from way long ago. I actually just assumed that to be the case; I never DID ask.

Assumed. Yeah, we all know the jingle; today it is me, haha! Tom even said he's not seen doubles in Ohio, that he recalls..maybe long ago, not sure. He's still endorsed, but sure doesn't care to play what he calls "Pintle Pups Parcheesi." That IS kinda funny, but for those of you that live it. I never DID get to enjoy those days, as a ride along.

G'Town sure shared some excellent photos AND Y'ALL CONTRIBUTED to the workings of that 'fun.' It's good to know that Pitt Ohio are pretty much now just vans, and hopefully not some 'bid' runs, like many of the other prominent & doubles gangs .. yes?!?

Just more for me to delve into. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN SUCH A HUGE BEAM OF LIGHT, to US tonight. Especially, me. Thank you.

I'm sure Don'll read this when he comes back, and get a headache or a happy face, haha!~

Always .. thanks~

~ Anne & Tom ~

ps: Forgot to mention, we've also been in touch with Crossett (AndHe78's company;) w/ the LPG tanks. I'm more 'liking' on that then Tom is, however. He's getting old, at a faster rate than I am, somehow. It's definitely NOT a 'no touch' freight situation.

Lol, he's not wrong. Every fall, our guys at or near retirement age start their rumblings on whether they want to battle another winter. Propane and asphalt are not bad, but gas work gets old really fast in the cold and snow.

At ABF Tom will most likely start as an on call employee until a bid opens up. He will work everyday either filling in for guys on vacation or running extra pickups/deliveries that don’t fit on the bid routes. The extra’s usually consist of dropping/ picking up U pack trailers at peoples houses and runs to distribution centers like Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc… The rough part of being on call is you can start at 9am this week, midnight next week, noon the following week, etc….

The guy I was filling in for on the 4pm utility bid comes back tomorrow so I’m moving to 9:30am on call city driver tomorrow. My manager added 2 bids so I may get the noon bid after Labor day depending on who signs the new 9 and 9:30 bids. We have 4-5 guys close to retirement so I wont be on call forever.

Too bad Dayton is 2 hrs away from you guys. ABF has a main terminal there where Tom could be a road driver, they bid on routes to specific terminals. No dock work, paid CPM , drop/hook, placarding, etc.. The 2 steady road guys for our terminal out of Carlisle said they made well over 100k last few years

I have seen Truck One delivering in Buffalo, but don't know much about them. I need to talk with WST tomorrow to get some clarification about their accessory pay, but overall, their package looks to definitely compensate less overall than FAB.

I find it odd that International Paper is going with various trucking companies for their locations, rather than using one company as with FAB. This will no doubt reduce running loads since we wouldn't be pulling from Mt. Vernon, Streetsboro and other plants. If Wooster drivers pull only from Wooster IP, that could mean less runs per day = less $$. I'll wait and see and check around more companies here in Wooster, also. Hope all works out for you and Tom.

What did Tom think of Westsides "pay package," (or is someone rise pulling out of Mt. Vernon)? Comparing runs using FAB's current mileage and accessorial pay extras, and Westside's, we are taking a pay cut for each load ran, not to mention eliminating our daily pay. No unload or D&H pay is a big loss, also. Drivers in Wooster are upset, but "whatcha gonna' do?" I will talk to Brian in Westside Columbus next week, before I consider other options. It's a shame FAB is closing down. I really enjoyed working for J.B. and FAB.

Hey, Don!

WST is NOT taking over Tom's barn! Truck One is, and they SUCK. If you email me (in profile) I'll give you my phone number again, or his or both, but....

I did call WST and yeah, their pay package doesn't stand out to me, either. They DID say they'd be willing to take Tom, however. Hmmm. Truck One is $24/hr. flat; and because they are not getting YOU guys, and they won't tell me or Tom what lanes/stops they ARE getting; there sure won't be much, but a few stops, and maybe a 40 hour work week. No overtime, either.

I've been in talks with JRayl (you should check them out! ) and speaking with Karen Murphy over there, it's looking good. Ask for her, and mention TT; you'll get the 'good scoop.' They're even closer TO you!

I'm also speaking to PittOhio .. but that's an iffy one for Tom's liking; he's not done LTL for YEARS! Bulk Transport (tanks) is another 'maybe,' but are a bit far.

So, in a nutshell, JRayl is looking better every day. They are also a training company, and will be partnering with Trucking Truth! The local isn't set up as 'precisely' as FAB, but it still looks attainable to meet and exceed where we were before. Yes, they DO have local. I've got a list of the lanes.

I hope this helps; I'll keep you in the loop, though! MAST trucking (who recently partnered here, too!) is another option for YOU, we however, are too far. If you call them, speak to Jenna or Mark. Great folks, as well.

Wish you well in your decision, WST sure sounds better than what Truck One has to offer.

On another note, Tom got a Level III on i71 yesterday; passed with flying colors! He texted the paper, I texted it to Kim, and she was jumping for joy! Sure, Tom gets that $300 bonus, but we all know Kim gets that $1K, LoL!

We shall keep on keeping on, as things allow. Some of the guys down by Tom have already left, so there's no shortage of runs around here, that's for sure! Weekend work available (of course,) as well.

Take a look at JRayl, maybe even MAST; you may be close enough to them.

Best to ya, let us know!

~ Anne & Tom ~

ps: also talking to a 'nearby' small biz guy, but.. probably a 'nope.' Silvertip Transportation Services.. ?!?

Our pay rate is $26.81 for city, $27.81 for utility. Time and half after 8 hrs. Pay rates may vary by region of country. Current contract is up at end of this year, a lot of talk about a big pay bump to catch us up with the non union companies. 100% health/dental/eye for employee and family, children up to 26 years old. Union dues are $72 a month. Paid holidays, sick and personal days. Company paid pension, vested after 5 years. They offer a pre and post tax 401k but no match because of pension. We no longer run on the recap 7/60 clock. As of August 1st we went to the 8/70 clock with 34 hr reset every weekend.

You guys could try Penske my sister is a recruiter there, she says they offer home daily no touch in some areas. They probably used to be Black Horse runs before Penske bought them again.

Also look into Averitt and Standard Forwarding they only run long boxes just not sure if they have yards near you.

Sucks about Dayton they were going to be my suggestion.