Hey Anna A.!

ps: Forgot to mention, we've also been in touch with Crossett (AndHe78's company;) w/ the LPG tanks. I'm more 'liking' on that then Tom is, however. He's getting old, at a faster rate than I am, somehow. It's definitely NOT a 'no touch' freight situation.

Lol, he's not wrong. Every fall, our guys at or near retirement age start their rumblings on whether they want to battle another winter. Propane and asphalt are not bad, but gas work gets old really fast in the cold and snow.

At ABF Tom will most likely start as an on call employee until a bid opens up. He will work everyday either filling in for guys on vacation or running extra pickups/deliveries that don’t fit on the bid routes. The extra’s usually consist of dropping/ picking up U pack trailers at peoples houses and runs to distribution centers like Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc… The rough part of being on call is you can start at 9am this week, midnight next week, noon the following week, etc….

The guy I was filling in for on the 4pm utility bid comes back tomorrow so I’m moving to 9:30am on call city driver tomorrow. My manager added 2 bids so I may get the noon bid after Labor day depending on who signs the new 9 and 9:30 bids. We have 4-5 guys close to retirement so I wont be on call forever.

Too bad Dayton is 2 hrs away from you guys. ABF has a main terminal there where Tom could be a road driver, they bid on routes to specific terminals. No dock work, paid CPM , drop/hook, placarding, etc.. The 2 steady road guys for our terminal out of Carlisle said they made well over 100k last few years

You guys could try Penske my sister is a recruiter there, she says they offer home daily no touch in some areas. They probably used to be Black Horse runs before Penske bought them again.

Also look into Averitt and Standard Forwarding they only run long boxes just not sure if they have yards near you.

Sucks about Dayton they were going to be my suggestion.

Sincere thanks, to all y'all. I'm taking it 'harder' than he is, because 'ANNE' is the 'fixer.' I've got a full plate tomorrow, for sure. Black Horse, we knew a guy that LIVED around here & drove for them, out of PA.

Haven't looked into Penske, either; that & the LTL's....will do. Starting at .. let's say .. ABF with almost 20 years in, if that's the way in, not gonna work. Thanks, though..Dave.

I'm as curious as DON as to how the heck they are splitting the IP stuff ?!? So MUCH makes no sense; at all.

I'm grateful, as is Tom. We're listening, to all you guys.. nothing's too small or minuscule to consider. Pretty sure Don's following, also.

~ Anne & Tom ~

ps: Twenty two years of happiness, trucking schooling and all; nothing broke us. This, my friends, comes close.

I have seen Truck One delivering in Buffalo, but don't know much about them. I need to talk with WST tomorrow to get some clarification about their accessory pay, but overall, their package looks to definitely compensate less overall than FAB.

I find it odd that International Paper is going with various trucking companies for their locations, rather than using one company as with FAB. This will no doubt reduce running loads since we wouldn't be pulling from Mt. Vernon, Streetsboro and other plants. If Wooster drivers pull only from Wooster IP, that could mean less runs per day = less $$. I'll wait and see and check around more companies here in Wooster, also. Hope all works out for you and Tom.

Thanks, Don. That means a lot. Please DO let us know if WST has some pixie dust they forgot to mention; as we spoke to them, as well. That layout makes no sense; agreed.

Let us know what you find out, if & when . . . also. There's also chatter that FAB is going to PULL all offers, and stay to 'play another day.' Trying to weed 'in' they loyals.

I wish I knew; man, I've been snooping!

Y'all ALL are so much appreciated; more than words can say~!

~ Anne & Tom ~

ps: Total 'nopes' on Averitt; many reasons... not relevant. Pitt Ohio is on my call list, for sure. Might just look into Dayton and see if they have a yard 'in the cards' closer to us.... would be nice! Doesn't hurt to wish!

Have you looked into home daily with Continental Express?

"There's also chatter that FAB is going to PULL all offers, and stay to 'play another day.' Trying to weed 'in' they loyals"

Anne, I don't see that happening. I assume IP has already signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so how can FAB "pull all offers"?

"There's also chatter that FAB is going to PULL all offers, and stay to 'play another day.' Trying to weed 'in' they loyals"

Anne, I don't see that happening. I assume IP has already signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so how can FAB "pull all offers"?

Hey Don;

In following up, that's the voices of Kendra and Jim, so take that with a grain, but .. hard telling. I'm thinking something is already in the 'falling through' end, down our way; I just haven't figured out what. Kendra thinks that FAB may hold on to some of the stuff for a bit longer; yet I'm not sure how that'd be possible, either. It's NOT Tom's destination.Truck One is a HOT MESS. For S's and G's, look at their website! vBulletin or something from the 80's, the Mark guy I spoke with even agreed; additionally, he had no clue WST was getting ANY 'I/P' accounts.

Further, have you spoken to Kris (Gordon, maybe?) at WST? I have; he sent me the .pdf re: their 'HUB' package, relevant to the FAB guys. It really doesn't look that bad!! Perhaps you were looking at the spotter's pay? I'm crunching some numbers with some paystubs/logs and would be happy to share the results. They indeed are extending reciprocity to the FAB drivers,re: vacation & benefits. Truck One (not!) on the other hand; unless I'm talking to the wrong person, has no clue, and is not. WST HUGELY extended their offer to Tom, and I thank you for letting me know, on that!

Again, we've got Karen at JRayl, and Cassie at Pitt Ohio, and of course (your) Kris at WST in the works; so many more. I'll sure share with you , as we research further.

Karen and Cassie have both run a prelim on Tom, and are extremely accommodating; Pitt Ohio has NO copay on insurance, and MACK TRUCKS, ATTRACTIVE! *haha!* but is STILL more of the LTL model, yet no pups & pintles for the ole'guy, haha!

HOPING our LTL guys will stick around, keep contributing, as we are NOT done... we've got a couple months...! JRayl is more regional/mini OTR but still home daily/off weekends; probably less work for the old guy, too! Great people, Don. I've got Karen's # straight away, too.

BACK to Crossett ~ We DO have a phocon set up with those folks on Thursday (Andhe78!) ... to confirm a few things; including the pretty great pay, haha...!~because Tom's flipping out looking at the NY tri axles w/a tag, and.. well, I guess it's more MELLOW here in Ohio, haha! Nothing that eccentric. We shall let you know. Andhe78!... I forgot.. for Don's benefit, do we need TWIC? Tom does need to re'up his HazMat tho; Pitt Ohio said that, too.

Don, if you have your tanker endorsement, and want some adventure; I'd say you DO have enough experience to 'go for it!' The pay IS better than FAB, I'll give ya that.

I'm so grateful to ALL that are inputting to this thread, and elsewhere. Again, email in profile; and I'm NOT the best on getting back in 5 mins; just ask me for my (or Tom's) ph# in email...for faster transfer of info. Thanks TONS, y'all.

Don....I still wish this really WOULD go away. Truck One, I could see THAT happen. WST, doubt it; they're making out great. Something is still under the rug, I've not found yet. (And, I will~!)

~ Anne ~

ps: I've got the 'hub pay' .pdf to email if you like, Don, as well as the shuttle.

pps: No, I've not slept much. Sorry.

Have you looked into home daily with Continental Express?

George!

I FINALLY heard back from Anita there, today; gosh what a gal! It's cool, she goes by Andie...tough gal, says we are out of the hiring area, Don may not be.

"There's also chatter that FAB is going to PULL all offers, and stay to 'play another day.' Trying to weed 'in' they loyals"

Anne, I don't see that happening. I assume IP has already signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so how can FAB "pull all offers"?

To Don, any, and ALL others; here's the scoops re: Truck One~

Truck One's NEW CEO ....J. Wine Gardner ~

Oh, and there's MORE! New CEO and President, Truck One; J. Winegardner. They've been 'dancing' with I/P for awhile, so it seems. Big Lots seems to be their GAME plan, however. Tom's gonna be live unloading ?!?!? Like PapaPig CAN?!? (No disrespect, Ray.. none!) I'd LOVE my vision of this misnomer to be proven wrong, but we're not sticking around to watch the chips fall, nor my ole' guy.. either way or favor.

Notice, this Jay Winegardner (in the press) just took over 12/21/21 (my b'day) ... at 71 years old. I mean, fine & all .. great! How's he going to do 'all that' with only 70 power units?!?

Yet, in AllPeople (the business 'xoom' if you will,) he's J. Wine Gardner ... Midway Svcs., Fleet Express, etc.... per link above.

If anyone else has time, please share your thoughts. Good gosh, I just don't know. I'm thrilled that WST extended their offer to Tom, and JRayl and PittOhio are still HIGH up, too. Truck One, not so much.. sorry folks. I want Crossett, personally, Andhe78! Quality Carriers has reached out to us, as has K & B (again) and Garner; OTR isn't the plan. Marten MAY have 'home daily'/local/dedicated in Columbus; will be looking into this, as well. MAST trucking has been great neighbors as well; we're just a bit too far; they've said.

ONCE AGAIN, y'all LTL folks, Banks, everyone, PLEASE give us an idea what a 'VAN (well, I mean a 53' full size)' would even DO in the LTL world?!?!? I really am just not getting this, 100% ....

Thanks to ALL of you, that care enough to care. Thanks to DON, for opening up the can of worms/TRUTH, sincerely.

~ Anne & Tom ~

ps: Email in bio; yes I'm late replying & I'm catching up...! (sorry!)

pps: MORE INFO re; LTL ....please & thanks!

ppps: I'm still wanting Crossett, but... I'm not the driver (yet.)

WHAT A GREAT GROUP, Y'ALL. I MEAN THIS. THANK YOU, TONS.

~ Anne ~

{{{ If I am missing for over or up to 72 hours, somebody come look for me, hahahaha!!}}}

Have you looked into home daily with Continental Express?

George!

I FINALLY heard back from Anita there, today; gosh what a gal! It's cool, she goes by Andie...tough gal, says we are out of the hiring area, Don may not be.

"There's also chatter that FAB is going to PULL all offers, and stay to 'play another day.' Trying to weed 'in' they loyals"

Anne, I don't see that happening. I assume IP has already signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so how can FAB "pull all offers"?

To Don, any, and ALL others; here's the scoops re: Truck One~

Truck One's NEW CEO ....J. Wine Gardner ~

Oh, and there's MORE! New CEO and President, Truck One; J. Winegardner. They've been 'dancing' with I/P for awhile, so it seems. Big Lots seems to be their GAME plan, however. Tom's gonna be live unloading ?!?!? Like PapaPig CAN?!? (No disrespect, Ray.. none!) I'd LOVE my vision of this misnomer to be proven wrong, but we're not sticking around to watch the chips fall, nor my ole' guy.. either way or favor.

Notice, this Jay Winegardner (in the press) just took over 12/21/21 (my b'day) ... at 71 years old. I mean, fine & all .. great! How's he going to do 'all that' with only 70 power units?!?

Yet, in AllPeople (the business 'xoom' if you will,) he's J. Wine Gardner ... Midway Svcs., Fleet Express, etc.... per link above.

If anyone else has time, please share your thoughts. Good gosh, I just don't know. I'm thrilled that WST extended their offer to Tom, and JRayl and PittOhio are still HIGH up, too. Truck One, not so much.. sorry folks. I want Crossett, personally, Andhe78! Quality Carriers has reached out to us, as has K & B (again) and Garner; OTR isn't the plan. Marten MAY have 'home daily'/local/dedicated in Columbus; will be looking into this, as well. MAST trucking has been great neighbors as well; we're just a bit too far; they've said.

ONCE AGAIN, y'all LTL folks, Banks, everyone, PLEASE give us an idea what a 'VAN (well, I mean a 53' full size)' would even DO in the LTL world?!?!? I really am just not getting this, 100% ....

Thanks to ALL of you, that care enough to care. Thanks to DON, for opening up the can of worms/TRUTH, sincerely.

~ Anne & Tom ~

ps: Email in bio; yes I'm late replying & I'm catching up...! (sorry!)

pps: MORE INFO re; LTL ....please & thanks!

ppps: I'm still wanting Crossett, but... I'm not the driver (yet.)

WHAT A GREAT GROUP, Y'ALL. I MEAN THIS. THANK YOU, TONS.

~ Anne ~

{{{ If I am missing for over or up to 72 hours, somebody come look for me, hahahaha!!}}}

Other companies that may be options:

FirstFleet

West Side Transport

Ohio Intermodal Services

Holland

Venture Express

Ruan

All of those offer home daily in Central Ohio.

I don't know why they use 53 footers. I follow pay and benefits because that stays solid for a year and I can remember it. Operations change with business needs and I can barely keep up with what's happening at FedEx. Imagine trying to keep tabs on the operations of every LTL company... They'd have to pay me a lot more lol.

The only gripe I hear from Pitt Ohio is that the drivers bid runs daily, similar to how Rob T works. It's not like other LTL companies that have a periodic bid. For example, at FedEx we bid seasonly.

Anne:

No,the pay sheet I am referring to is for the Wooster drivers and not spotters pay. I spoke to Brian in Columbus about their pay scale for Wooster drivers. I have calculated the pay differences between FAB and WST and if based on mileage rate and range pay only, WST comes out ahead. But, when FAB's Daily pay, and bobtail to D&S pay is added, not to.mention unload pay, FAB is definitely better.

Who is Kendra? Agaon, I have serious doubts that FAB can just change theirvminds and wsltz right back into the game at IP. Again, IP has (I would assume) signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so it would be too late fir FAB to return. But, if Jim B is telling you something different, then definitely keep me advised.

I am confused. Since when does IP Mt. Vernon make boxes for Big Lots? Did IP Mt. Vernon get a contract to start making boxes for Big Lots?

If you can, feel free to send that WST hub pay pdf. to me @ dongoho624@outlook.com

"There's also chatter that FAB is going to PULL all offers, and stay to 'play another day.' Trying to weed 'in' they loyals"

Anne, I don't see that happening. I assume IP has already signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so how can FAB "pull all offers"?

Hey Don;

In following up, that's the voices of Kendra and Jim, so take that with a grain, but .. hard telling. I'm thinking something is already in the 'falling through' end, down our way; I just haven't figured out what. Kendra thinks that FAB may hold on to some of the stuff for a bit longer; yet I'm not sure how that'd be possible, either. It's NOT Tom's destination.Truck One is a HOT MESS. For S's and G's, look at their website! vBulletin or something from the 80's, the Mark guy I spoke with even agreed; additionally, he had no clue WST was getting ANY 'I/P' accounts.

Further, have you spoken to Kris (Gordon, maybe?) at WST? I have; he sent me the .pdf re: their 'HUB' package, relevant to the FAB guys. It really doesn't look that bad!! Perhaps you were looking at the spotter's pay? I'm crunching some numbers with some paystubs/logs and would be happy to share the results. They indeed are extending reciprocity to the FAB drivers,re: vacation & benefits. Truck One (not!) on the other hand; unless I'm talking to the wrong person, has no clue, and is not. WST HUGELY extended their offer to Tom, and I thank you for letting me know, on that!

Again, we've got Karen at JRayl, and Cassie at Pitt Ohio, and of course (your) Kris at WST in the works; so many more. I'll sure share with you , as we research further.

Karen and Cassie have both run a prelim on Tom, and are extremely accommodating; Pitt Ohio has NO copay on insurance, and MACK TRUCKS, ATTRACTIVE! *haha!* but is STILL more of the LTL model, yet no pups & pintles for the ole'guy, haha!

HOPING our LTL guys will stick around, keep contributing, as we are NOT done... we've got a couple months...! JRayl is more regional/mini OTR but still home daily/off weekends; probably less work for the old guy, too! Great people, Don. I've got Karen's # straight away, too.

BACK to Crossett ~ We DO have a phocon set up with those folks on Thursday (Andhe78!) ... to confirm a few things; including the pretty great pay, haha...!~because Tom's flipping out looking at the NY tri axles w/a tag, and.. well, I guess it's more MELLOW here in Ohio, haha! Nothing that eccentric. We shall let you know. Andhe78!... I forgot.. for Don's benefit, do we need TWIC? Tom does need to re'up his HazMat tho; Pitt Ohio said that, too.

Don, if you have your tanker endorsement, and want some adventure; I'd say you DO have enough experience to 'go for it!' The pay IS better than FAB, I'll give ya that.

I'm so grateful to ALL that are inputting to this thread, and elsewhere. Again, email in profile; and I'm NOT the best on getting back in 5 mins; just ask me for my (or Tom's) ph# in email...for faster transfer of info. Thanks TONS, y'all.

Don....I still wish this really WOULD go away. Truck One, I could see THAT happen. WST, doubt it; they're making out great. Something is still under the rug, I've not found yet. (And, I will~!)

~ Anne ~

ps: I've got the 'hub pay' .pdf to email if you like, Don, as well as the shuttle.

pps: No, I've not slept much. Sorry.

Other companies that may be options:

FirstFleet

West Side Transport

Ohio Intermodal Services

Holland

Venture Express

Ruan

All of those offer home daily in Central Ohio.

Thanks, Ryan!

I've looked at most of those, WST is the company Don & I speak of, as they are taking over HIS side of the state's Int'l Paper account. Ruan, however IS on my list to look into, as well as Marten, local from Columbus. I'm closer to them, than Don. Ohio Intermodal is running the ports, up in Toledo. That's almost a 3 hour commute; and ... not everyone likes pulling cans, like Laura, haha!

Still, very grateful for the input; definitely checking Ruan & Holland. I think Venture is out of our area, as well. Too bad Decker up on 224 by P.A.M. doesn't have the MTD account. My deceased (RIP) landlord & father figure, used to run that.

I don't know why they use 53 footers. I follow pay and benefits because that stays solid for a year and I can remember it. Operations change with business needs and I can barely keep up with what's happening at FedEx. Imagine trying to keep tabs on the operations of every LTL company... They'd have to pay me a lot more lol.

The only gripe I hear from Pitt Ohio is that the drivers bid runs daily, similar to how Rob T works. It's not like other LTL companies that have a periodic bid. For example, at FedEx we bid seasonly.

Banks, thanks SO much on that!

In reality, that's similar how the FAB yard in Mt. Vernon operates, and Tom said that wouldn't be a deal breaker. It'll probably be a lot of stops, but as long as it's not rolltainers, and all no touch, wouldn't be so bad. Still, their ops model makes no sense to me; if you hear anything else, ie: who/what/where, I'm all ears; we thank you so much. Pay and benefits are really good; it appears. LTL usually has that edge, and I'm not sure why.

Anne:

No,the pay sheet I am referring to is for the Wooster drivers and not spotters pay. I spoke to Brian in Columbus about their pay scale for Wooster drivers. I have calculated the pay differences between FAB and WST and if based on mileage rate and range pay only, WST comes out ahead. But, when FAB's Daily pay, and bobtail to D&S pay is added, not to.mention unload pay, FAB is definitely better.

Who is Kendra? Agaon, I have serious doubts that FAB can just change theirvminds and wsltz right back into the game at IP. Again, IP has (I would assume) signed contracts with WST, Truck One, etc., so it would be too late fir FAB to return. But, if Jim B is telling you something different, then definitely keep me advised.

Don;

Kendra is the office manager in Mt. Vernon. Kris from WST is who I've been speaking to; I'll certainly forward you the email very soon.

FAB has NO connection to BigLots; however, it's been Truck One's largest account, before needling into I/P. I could see them putting Tom on that, since there's not much down our way, I/P type stuff, to fill the days. You have most of that up there. Nothing about Truck One says ANYTHING specific to former FAB drivers, unlike WST.

We've still got time, but again; my fave 4 so far are JRayl, WST, PittOhio, and .. could be Marten if what I've read is true, sure haven't contacted them yet.

I'd REALLY love to know more on the Pitt Ohio, benefits are definitely the BEST. Banks, you're great; that right there helps a ton, too.

Ryan, I've not checked Holland, that's huge; I'm looking into Ruan in the future, as well. The others are not close enough, hiring wise.

Don, you should look at MAST. I loved what they have to offer, we are out of range, however.

Sending you that email .... within the 1/2 hour;

Thanks to ALL ~ keep it coming !!!!

~ Anne ~