For future reference... When it comes to someone driving on your clock while training with Prime, you can call your logs advisor (should be on the app under "my contacts") and tell them directly that you were not actually driving between the hours of --:-- and --:--. There were a couple times that either myself or my student failed to log in/out correctly or failed to switch who the active driver was and accidentally drove on each other's clocks. The Logs department can go in and make the necessary edits to your logs in order to fix it. That's one way to report a trainer who is violating the HOS rules without having to go through a FM who doesn't seem to care.
Someone driving in your log is also problematic because in the event of an accident, you were driving and it lands on you even if you you weren't the one driving. It comes down to "prove it". At this point, I'd stop calling and start emailing and include a cc for everyone that needs to see it. They'll know you're building a paper trail and react accordingly.
I completely forgot about this option, because it only happened to me once. The QC didn't register my press of the "ok" and I didn't check to see correct active driver.
For future reference:
Certify your logs, then send QC message to logs (for paper trail) then approve the edits. I know it's weird to certify first, but apparently logs claims they can't edit non certified duty status.
For future reference... When it comes to someone driving on your clock while training with Prime, you can call your logs advisor (should be on the app under "my contacts") and tell them directly that you were not actually driving between the hours of --:-- and --:--. There were a couple times that either myself or my student failed to log in/out correctly or failed to switch who the active driver was and accidentally drove on each other's clocks. The Logs department can go in and make the necessary edits to your logs in order to fix it. That's one way to report a trainer who is violating the HOS rules without having to go through a FM who doesn't seem to care.
I never said the issues shouldn't be reported.
I never put my pin into the QC, without the QC being out of the holder and in my hands, in the passenger seat. Why? Because I would wake up, get in the passenger seat, and go to off duty status from the passenger seat. Don't know how your cabs are set up, but both Pete and FL QC locations aren't exactly easy to operate from the passenger seat
My question immediately became, how did he have your "payroll pin" to switch drivers on the QC? It was made crystal clear to me, that my trainers did not get access to that information. My guess is to prevent situations like this. The inactive driver has to enter their PIN for any duty status changes (off duty to SB, SB to off duty.) So how did he drive on your clock without that?
So I figured out the way he did but he would completely finish his clock then would switch over to mine & drive some time on it.
If he is driving on both clocks, 30 min break negated by switching the system to her clock, then continue driving. Definitely not the way things should be done, but it is possible to work it that way.
All that a trainer would have to do in that situation is be watching while a trainee puts in the PIN. Wouldn't have to share it with the person at all. You can say that a trainee shouldn't put in a PIN while the trainer is looking, but it's the trainer's truck. I know that I wasn't concerned about my trainer seeing me put in my PIN, and I wouldn't want to try to confront a trainer about an issue like in his/her truck because it's like trying to confront your boss on something. This is 100% on the trainer doing something the trainer had no business doing. Not a trainee's responsibility to check a trainer on anything. I agree with Kearsey 100% that the issues with this trainer need to be reported.
I didn't mean to imply that you might think the trainer shouldn't be reported. My apology for giving that impression.
When I went through training, QC units were firmly mounted and difficult to remove, so I just sat in the driver seat to change anything. But, the screen could easily be seen from the bunk with curtain open. Now all of our trucks have tablets and use Samsara, with the tablets being much easier to remove for use anywhere, even outside the truck.
Our pins were MMDDYY birthdates, not sure if that's on any paperwork a trainer would have but a sinple social engineering "when's your birthday? Oh cool, what year" gets that data
Ours are the last 6 of our SSN, so harder to get in conversation.
What Ryan mentioned is how he got a hold of it. So the first day I logged in he was right there with me to show me how to log in. Every time it was my turn to drive i was already logged in and was told to just start driving. I would attempt to use the QC because i thought you were supposed to log in every time(I had no experience with it at that time) & he would snatch it from me & be verbally aggressive & tell me to just drive.
So eventually I just let it be because well I thought well he’s a trainer & must know more than I do. I then would attempt to use the prime app at times when he was driving & noticed a message would pop up & say im on an on duty status or driving I forgot what it exactly says. I eventually ignored it because I assumed it just said that because the truck is moving. But when i stopped home since we were in town I got a message saying i was using personal conveyance which i thought was weird because i wasn’t even on the truck.
I spoke to my FM at the time about it. Later that day he yells at me & tells me we have to stop driving on each other’s clock which i was confused about because I never used the QC. I’m not sure if you read the part where he stated it was illegal for him to teach me how to slide the tandems but that’s exactly what happened after. He said that because I complained about it and since his time was up he said he was unable to help me.
I never said the issues shouldn't be reported.
I never put my pin into the QC, without the QC being out of the holder and in my hands, in the passenger seat. Why? Because I would wake up, get in the passenger seat, and go to off duty status from the passenger seat. Don't know how your cabs are set up, but both Pete and FL QC locations aren't exactly easy to operate from the passenger seat
My question immediately became, how did he have your "payroll pin" to switch drivers on the QC? It was made crystal clear to me, that my trainers did not get access to that information. My guess is to prevent situations like this. The inactive driver has to enter their PIN for any duty status changes (off duty to SB, SB to off duty.) So how did he drive on your clock without that?
All that a trainer would have to do in that situation is be watching while a trainee puts in the PIN. Wouldn't have to share it with the person at all. You can say that a trainee shouldn't put in a PIN while the trainer is looking, but it's the trainer's truck. I know that I wasn't concerned about my trainer seeing me put in my PIN, and I wouldn't want to try to confront a trainer about an issue like in his/her truck because it's like trying to confront your boss on something. This is 100% on the trainer doing something the trainer had no business doing. Not a trainee's responsibility to check a trainer on anything. I agree with Kearsey 100% that the issues with this trainer need to be reported.
A set of axles spaced close together, legally defined as more than 40 and less than 96 inches apart by the USDOT. Drivers tend to refer to the tandem axles on their trailer as just "tandems". You might hear a driver say, "I'm 400 pounds overweight on my tandems", referring to his trailer tandems, not his tractor tandems. Tractor tandems are generally just referred to as "drives" which is short for "drive axles".
A set of axles spaced close together, legally defined as more than 40 and less than 96 inches apart by the USDOT. Drivers tend to refer to the tandem axles on their trailer as just "tandems". You might hear a driver say, "I'm 400 pounds overweight on my tandems", referring to his trailer tandems, not his tractor tandems. Tractor tandems are generally just referred to as "drives" which is short for "drive axles".
Thank you! I know that now. I accidentally forgot to make myself active once and accidentally drove on my current trainers time. Contacted them & they fixed the issue.
For future reference... When it comes to someone driving on your clock while training with Prime, you can call your logs advisor (should be on the app under "my contacts") and tell them directly that you were not actually driving between the hours of --:-- and --:--. There were a couple times that either myself or my student failed to log in/out correctly or failed to switch who the active driver was and accidentally drove on each other's clocks. The Logs department can go in and make the necessary edits to your logs in order to fix it. That's one way to report a trainer who is violating the HOS rules without having to go through a FM who doesn't seem to care.
That trainer had an issue with hard braking so I almost fell a few times. It was hard for me to sleep because I didn’t want to fall.
Thank you for that!
My trainer was from India, he had me also sleep on the top bunk, while he drove. No big deal, really, I braced myself the few times I needed to...Braced myself, with my arm to the closet wall. He was just weird like that, and it wasn't going to be past 4 weeks out with him, no biggee to me. I survived 3 + weeks, just fine....
Hopefully OP gets things handled, and moves forward, from her time with her trainer(s) Keep your eye on the prize !
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My trainer was from India, he had me also sleep on the top bunk, while he drove. No big deal, really, I braced myself the few times I needed to...Braced myself, with my arm to the closet wall. He was just weird like that, and it wasn't going to be past 4 weeks out with him, no biggee to me. I survived 3 + weeks, just fine....
Hopefully OP gets things handled, and moves forward, from her time with her trainer(s) Keep your eye on the prize !