This Is Probably One Of NY's Dumbest Rules Ever, But Need Help Understanding.

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Travis M.'s Comment
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So I obtained my NY CDL Class A permit before ELDT (because a friend of mine told me that ELDT would simply make it harder to get a CDL). So for those of you who know what the CDL Class A is, it means you can drive a combination of vehicles with a towed vehicle of more than 10,000 pounds resulting in the gross combination weight rating of the truck and trailer being more than 26,000 pounds in total (it does not necessarily mean to operate tractor-trailers).

So due to limited time (since my Class A was expiring and if it did, I'd have to complete ELDT), I brought a Ford pickup with a heavy trailer (more than 10,000 pounds) so the total GCWR is in excess of 26,000 pounds so I was given an "O1" restriction and what ****es me off is a DMV employee told me the state doesn't want me driving Class B trucks because they think somehow that driving a small Class A truck-trailer combination should not qualify you to operate large trucks and buses that fall under Class B so the O1 restriction reads: "No Tractor/Trailer CMV/Truck Not Over 26,000 GVWR (Commercial Class Only)" so my question is can I drive a Class B truck over 26,000 pounds or not (the restriction kinda implies no but if I'm correct, this is why NY is such a joke).

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

GVWR:

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating

GVWR is the maximum operating weight of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer, minus any trailers.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

GCWR:

Gross Combined Weight Rating

The GCWR refers to the total weight of a vehicle, including all trailers.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Deleted Account's Comment
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The way I read it also is no. You may operate the type of vehicle you tested in and that's about it.

Do you have airbrake endorsement? Pretty much every bus, box truck (that requires CDL), or semi on the road very likely is equipped with air brakes which could very well be the reason you're not licensed to drive those.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PackRat's Comment
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I'm wondering what's your end game in all this? Obtain a Class A CDL , avoiding the ELDT for what?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Ryan B.'s Comment
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Seems like a whole lot of work to nonsensically avoid following procedure.

If you are already trying to find works-around for getting your CDL , will that frame of mind continue when you start driving? That's a fast track to being unemployed and banned from commercial driving by DOT or even a prison cell. Just follow the regulations, whether you agree with them or not, which includes getting your CDL.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

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