I Didn't Pass My Skills Test In Vermont

I have finished and passed all the course work. (edlt)

What about the completion certificate from the course to satisfy the Federal Regulations for Entry Level Driver Traning? Not having that = no driving.

Do you have a completion certificate after not passing the driving skills portion?

Unfortunately you are stuck with the option of paying the school for the use of their equipment and driver once they open back up. That IS their backup plan for failure during testing.

Auto insurance is way different than the insurance underwriting for a tractor/trailer. They are also way way more picky about who can operate the insured equipment. The reason Mega Carriers can train, is that they are USUALLY self insured (with catastrophic coverage levels beyond a certain amount.) They are also super picky about requirements to operate their equipment.

Is it possible for your CDLa holder family member to rent a truck/trailer from Penske? Possible. Likely? Not really. They would again have to provide proof of acceptable insurance coverage levels. That is big time money outlay when you are talking about allowing a newbie to drive it, even directly supervised.

This is one of those times where more research would have been helpful up front, but for most people, they don't understand what the really truly important questions and issues are, until it's too late.

Yes. like if I look myself up in the FMCSA site, my name and info comes up as completed and gives my grades/hours for Range, Theory, public road and hazmat theory portion.

I have finished and passed all the course work. (edlt)

What about the completion certificate from the course to satisfy the Federal Regulations for Entry Level Driver Traning? Not having that = no driving.

Do you have a completion certificate after not passing the driving skills portion?

Thank you for the repy and information.

I researched my options before hand and this was my best choice, with the knowledge I had - so if I had started looking for information with this site (or other truckers that had more time put in) way back in the beginning of this journey I would have maybe had better info to research with.

Unfortunately you are stuck with the option of paying the school for the use of their equipment and driver once they open back up. That IS their backup plan for failure during testing.

Auto insurance is way different than the insurance underwriting for a tractor/trailer. They are also way way more picky about who can operate the insured equipment. The reason Mega Carriers can train, is that they are USUALLY self insured (with catastrophic coverage levels beyond a certain amount.) They are also super picky about requirements to operate their equipment.

Is it possible for your CDLa holder family member to rent a truck/trailer from Penske? Possible. Likely? Not really. They would again have to provide proof of acceptable insurance coverage levels. That is big time money outlay when you are talking about allowing a newbie to drive it, even directly supervised.

This is one of those times where more research would have been helpful up front, but for most people, they don't understand what the really truly important questions and issues are, until it's too late.

I guess I may have said that wrong?

I passed the school all the tests and skills there.

when they brought me to the dmv I failed the air brakes test because I forgot a step. So technically I never even got in the road.

I have finished and passed all the course work. (edlt)

What about the completion certificate from the course to satisfy the Federal Regulations for Entry Level Driver Traning? Not having that = no driving.

Do you have a completion certificate after not passing the driving skills portion?

For what it’s worth don’t let failing the air brake portion of the pre-trip bother you too much. It took me 3 attempts to get past it. And I used to replace/repair brake chambers and manually adjust brakes in the days before auto slack adjusters.

First time I did not keep track of the time and hit the 30 minute mark as I was conducting the in cab portion of the test FAIL. Second time I did the entire test with both tractor and trailer brakes set. Wondered why the examiner was staring at me funny, I think he was trying to get me to notice my mistake. Third time was the charm and passed the rest of the tests with no issues.

Keep practicing your pre trip routine even though your next step is not clear yet. I had an Audi TT that had a couple of buttons that sort of looked like brake buttons. I put red and yellow stickers on them and would sit in the car and practice the air brake tests. My wife thought I was nuts.

Thanks, I didn't turn the key forward enough, like i turned it but only part way! I noticed it when I was waiting for my low air alarm to come on.

For what it’s worth don’t let failing the air brake portion of the pre-trip bother you too much. It took me 3 attempts to get past it. And I used to replace/repair brake chambers and manually adjust brakes in the days before auto slack adjusters.

First time I did not keep track of the time and hit the 30 minute mark as I was conducting the in cab portion of the test FAIL. Second time I did the entire test with both tractor and trailer brakes set. Wondered why the examiner was staring at me funny, I think he was trying to get me to notice my mistake. Third time was the charm and passed the rest of the tests with no issues.

Keep practicing your pre trip routine even though your next step is not clear yet. I had an Audi TT that had a couple of buttons that sort of looked like brake buttons. I put red and yellow stickers on them and would sit in the car and practice the air brake tests. My wife thought I was nuts.

Yes it happens a lot, I too failed at the DMV 3 times, 1st was airbrakes DUH fogot what to say. 2nd time truck failed, bad governor wouldn't go past 100 psi, no ding on me. 3rd time, I got thru to in cab, finished THEN lady says I failed air brakes??? WTF then why did she let me go thru in cab, I was ticked off, told her she was crazy hahaha (she failed 95% of everyone !) seen her my times there, waiting my turns. 2nd training school I went to CRST, I passed it all and had CDL on day 10. Hindsight I shoulda went there to start with not some local POS , WIOA paid "school" (more self taught training than real training)

Good luck Darlene finding your way to "git r dun"

Thank you, I feel hopeful!.

Yes it happens a lot, I too failed at the DMV 3 times, 1st was airbrakes DUH fogot what to say. 2nd time truck failed, bad governor wouldn't go past 100 psi, no ding on me. 3rd time, I got thru to in cab, finished THEN lady says I failed air brakes??? WTF then why did she let me go thru in cab, I was ticked off, told her she was crazy hahaha (she failed 95% of everyone !) seen her my times there, waiting my turns. 2nd training school I went to CRST, I passed it all and had CDL on day 10. Hindsight I shoulda went there to start with not some local POS , WIOA paid "school" (more self taught training than real training)

Good luck Darlene finding your way to "git r dun"

I'm still confused by your answer to PackRat. I don't see how you could have a training certificate and not have your CDL. You said...

Yes. like if I look myself up in the FMCSA site, my name and info comes up as completed and gives my grades/hours for Range, Theory, public road and hazmat theory portion.

That really means nothing. Without a physical copy of a training certificate you don't have anything helpful toward your career.