Wnat Does "no SAP" Mean?

When job listings and prospective employers indicate "no SAP ," do they mean you are not qualified if (a) you have not completely finished the RTD process INCLUDING the last step of 6 random drug tests in a 12-month period, (b) you have ever been required to go through the RTD process, or (c) you have ever failed a drug test?

It simply means they don't hire people who've had to go through the Substance Abuse Program. If you want to get back into trucking after failing a D.O.T. drug test, you must go through a SAP program. Going thru the program does not give a mandate saying trucking companies must hire you. Some of them simply won't take that risk.

It simply means they don't hire people who've had to go through the Substance Abuse Program. If you want to get back into trucking failing a D.O.T. drug test, you must go through a SAP program. Going thru the program does not give a mandate saying trucking companies must hire you. Some of them simply won't take that risk.

Thank you for the response and information. However, you could (should) have stopped after the first sentence. I didn't ask about any of those other things.

Additionally, you are incorrect. Upon further research, I have found that most job listings that indicate "no SAP" are referring to people who are actively in the RTD process, typically on the last step (Follow-Up Testing Plan). They are willing to hire someone who has obtained a drug test violation and completed the RTD process in the past, they just don't want to deal with the RTD process themselves (excessive drug testing, not enough time since test fail, requirement to post test results to FMCSA Clearinghouse, etc.).

In the future, I'll research just a bit more before posting questions. :)

I have found that most job listings that indicate "no SAP" are referring to people who are actively in the RTD process, typically on the last step (Follow-Up Testing Plan). They are willing to hire someone who has obtained a drug test violation and completed the RTD process in the past

Terry, can you share with us where you learned this is true about most job listings that indicate no SAP?

I've worked in recruiting for a very long time. I'd like to know what makes you think most companies will work with someone who has completed SAP. Where did you get that information from?

Thank you for the response and information. However, you could (should) have stopped after the first sentence. I didn't ask about any of those other things.

Hmmm🤔

"Thank you, OldSchool, for providing additional information. It is always very much appreciated when an experienced, highly successful driver is willing to share their knowledge for everyone on the site to see and learn from!"

Thank you for the response and information. However, you could (should) have stopped after the first sentence. I didn't ask about any of those other things.

Hmmm🤔

"Thank you, OldSchool, for providing additional information. It is always very much appreciated when an experienced, highly successful driver is willing to share their knowledge for everyone on the site to see and learn from!"

Exactly right. I thought the OP was rude in replying to Old School.

Perhaps if the OP knows so much about his topic he should have stopped before he hit the submit button.

People act funny online. Not funny haha, but funny socially awkward. It's one place they can be snarky and rude without feeling the repercussions of their actions. I don't take offense at their remarks. In fact, I'm amused at times.

I answered the way I did because there will be people reading this who don't even know what the OP is referring to as SAP. That way the conversation makes sense to everyone reading it.

I'm like Brett, I'd like to see where Terry found this information. Hopefully he will share it with us.

Terry, can you share with us where you learned this is true about most job listings that indicate no SAP?

I've worked in recruiting for a very long time. I'd like to know what makes you think most companies will work with someone who has completed SAP. Where did you get that information from?

I have been on the phone with about 10 companies (don't remember which) and while my "revelation" is not true of all of them, at least half of them indicated as I stated. It seems like there is no clear definition of "no SAP" on job listings and different companies have different definitions for the designation.

Terry seems very defensive about the whole situation. That can be a good indicator of denial. Perhaps there's a larger problem that's not being discussed.

While I can certainly understand that it would be very disheartening and frustrating to be continually rejected because of one's previous poor life choices, it is a good lesson. This career path demands self honesty right from the the beginning. Those that can't attain a measure of humility and see reflection are likely to be barred entry especially in today's market. There are too many other qualified candidates without the risk and too few positions available.

I have been on the phone with about 10 companies (don't remember which)

Of course you don't remember their names. Isn't that the way of people these days? Ask them for facts to back up their claims, and they say, "Don't question me. I'm right. That's all you need to know."

Terry gave a few more responses, but it was just more arrogance and criticism. It wasn't anything we could post. We can all see we have another classic young guy with a lot of tough lessons coming his way.

All the best Terry.