What NOT To Eat. Nutrition On The Road.

I too follow a meat diet out of choice, no vegetables, few fruits, milk and water

Excellent! I see you figured out the carnivore thing, and it works for you as well. Glad to hear it!

Yes, guys, you're right. We're all built differently. I understand that. It's adorable that you thought I couldn't grasp that. But as a 5' 7" bald Italian, I can assure you I've considered what it would be like to have the genetics of Brad Pitt. But I was trying to avoid having what I felt was a pointless argument because it has no bearing on what we should eat.

But then I realized you're helping me break through some of the confusion and prove my point, so I'll use your point (we're all built differently) to prove mine (we all thrive on the same diet).

Navypoppop is in his 70s and has difficult diseases he deals with. His diet is almost exclusively fats and proteins.

Davy and I are 53 and athletic. Davy has a sugar condition, I do not. Our diets are almost exclusively fats and proteins.

Mikhaila Peterson is a 22-year-old woman. From a very young age, she suffered from severe juvenile idiopathic arthritis, which led to her needing hip and ankle replacements by the age of 17. She was diagnosed with severe depression, OCD, and type two bipolar disorder. Mikhaila also dealt with chronic fatigue and idiopathic hypersomnia. Her diet, which consisted of only meat for over 7 years, reversed and cured every single disease she had. All of them. So again, her diet is exclusively fats and proteins.

Eddie Hall - 36 years old - 6' 3" and 385 pounds. Literally the strongest man in the world, a world record-holding athlete. Eats carnivore diet. Fats and proteins.

Dr Jordan Peterson - non-athlete, 61 years old, suffered from severe gum disease, severe depression, weight issues (he lost 50 pounds after going carnivore), and other immunological problems. After going to a pure beef diet, every last symptom was cured and he says he has the same physique he had in high school.

Dr Shawn Baker - 57 years old, world record-holding athlete, 6' 4" and 270 pounds. He's the best-known person in the carnivore community. He really put himself out there to share his findings with everyone. Has eaten pure carnivore for over 7 years, almost exclusively beef. Still sets world records at almost 60 years old.

Hugo Wood, an elementary student suffering from Kabuki syndrome, has had a dramatic reversal in his symptoms after eating a keto diet, which is almost exclusively fats and proteins. His mother called it "nothing short of a miracle". Fats and proteins.

I could do this all day. We can talk about people of any age, race, gender, lifestyle, or condition, and everyone thrives on a diet based on fats and proteins. Every one of them.

So guys, thank you for forcing me to deal with the fact that we're all built differently. I was trying to avoid confusing people with things that don't matter, but it allowed me to demonstrate that everyone from sedentary old men to world record-holding athletes to little boys and young women with terrible diseases all thrive on a diet composed almost exclusively of fats and proteins.

Now the question is....what will I have for dinner? I have salmon, country-style pork ribs, chicken breast, and burger ready to go. I'm not sure what I'll have, but I don't think I'll be able to choose just one.

Ok, I really don't want this post to go to sleep either, as I'm enjoying it immensely. While my experience may be anecdotal, I'll share it here for the purposes of this conversation.

For my entire life, I've hated vegetables and craved meats and proteins. It's been known in my family that" Rich won't eat vegetables." I do like a sweet treat every night after supper, but I don't have what I would call a heavy sweet tooth.

Coincidentally or not, I've always been in great health. Never having to visit the hospital for anything other than an accidental injury. They say I get it honestly, because my dad and grandfather were the same way, both mostly meat eaters and disease-free their whole lives.

At age 45ish, I began putting on a little bit of weight. Not a bunch, just 25lbs or so spread out over 8 years. This could be attributed to quitting smoking, increased snacking, changing careers to a more sedentary job, slowing metabolism, whatever. Two years ago at 53, I thought I better do something about it, and made what I thought to be a wise choice to cut out the snacks and incorporate more vegetables into my diet. I even bought a bullet blender and started making veggie smoothies in my truck every day up till just a couple months ago. My wife, a vegetable lover, could barely conceal her glee at finally being able to make all kinds of creative veggie dishes which I gamely tried with mock enthusiasm.

Throughout that time, I also looked into other diets. This is when I came across the carnivore diet, and it has intrigued me since. I even mentioned it to my wife, but that little short stubborn Italian would have none of it, calling it just another fad diet. Rather than listen to what my body was telling me, I went with the conventional and indoctrinated thought of"veggies are good for you!"

Speaking of Mrs. Turtle, she comes from a vegetable heavy family. Pasta and all-veggie dishes with a splash of meat were commonplace at the in-laws. Yes practically everyone in her family suffers from some kind of ailment. My wife herself now suffers from Crohn's, diabetes, and other inflammatory and autoimmune issues. So there's that. More on that in a minute.

I mentioned my wife to show the health contrast, anecdotal as it may be, between someone who prefers fats and proteins versus someone who prefers vegetables.

But back to me. After a year and a half of the veggie business, yes I did lose a little bit of weight, like 15lbs. but I had never felt worse in my life. I had a daily dose of what I would call "rot gut", just a queasy or upset feeling in my stomach. I was sluggish, and seemed to have progressively less energy. Always being a highly active man, this bugged me a lot. I had what I guess is increasing inflammation, because every joint in my body began to ache. I also had to visit the hospital for the first non-accident, an appendectomy. Coincidence?

Throughout this time, I continued researching, becoming more & more convinced myself of the very facts Brett is pointing out here. Vegetables are toxic. Sure, they have nutrients in them. But they also have nutrient inhibitors that prevent the intake of what we need. The bad outweighs the good if you look at the science. All the vitamins and nutrients we need are in the very thing that we were designed to eat: ANIMALS!

As of about 3 weeks ago, I began transitioning over to the carnivore diet. Being that I've always loved meats, eggs, fish, etc this has been a relatively easy transition. The hardest thing has been weaning myself off of carbs and the desire to snack. But I'm mostly over that already. Similar to Brett, I've been mostly OMAD (one meal a day), which has its own separate health benefits. Though for reasons of convenience or timing, I sometimes eat at the 18-20 hour mark. However, I most definitely am hungry by that point. But hunger is a good thing.

It's way too soon for me to boast of any benefits resulting from this. I'm also aware that, because of my predisposition to a carnivorous diet, I may not experience the same drastic changes that result from the diet. Part of my hope is that my wife will recognize some changes in me coming from this, so that she may then try it herself. After all, she's a perfect candidate for it. I'll be the test dummy.

Wow, Turtle. I did not have "Turtle going one-meal-a-day carnivore" on my bingo card! I thought you were just the next person in line to take a shot at me. When I saw your name on this thread, I thought, "Wow, even Turtle has had enough of me talking about this." But I'm obviously thrilled to hear the news!

I mentioned my wife to show the health contrast, anecdotal as it may be, between someone who prefers fats and proteins versus someone who prefers vegetables.

We are way beyond the anecdotal stage or the fad stage with eating carnivore. It first became known about seven years ago when Dr Shawn Baker called it the carnivore diet. There is a small army of thousands people who have all had the same earth-shattering results eating this way for years now, which is not a diet, but simply the proper way to eat.

5+ years ago I would have said we're getting anecdotal evidence or it's a fad. Not anymore.

After a year and a half of the veggie business, yes I did lose a little bit of weight, like 15lbs. but I had never felt worse in my life. I had a daily dose of what I would call "rot gut", just a queasy or upset feeling in my stomach. I was sluggish, and seemed to have progressively less energy

This is why I'm insisting that people stop talking about it and try carnivore. Once you experience the way you feel eating properly, all doubt will vanish. You'll never need another explanation about nutrition or waste your time in debates.

Notice, also, that everything Turtle experienced in his life pointed him toward eating meat. We're all born this way. Every kid on Earth loves meat and hates vegetables. It was not until people started confusing us with their advertising gimmicks that we lost our way. But the truth is instinctual. Our bodies know what to eat.

I would say "rot gut" is the perfect description of life on vegetables. All that fiber, which we can not digest, clogs our system. Along with that comes the garbage people put on vegetables like salad dressings, nuts, seeds, and fruits. It produces a ton of gas, which leaves us feeling bloated and having to go to the bathroom a lot. Your energy stays low because your body is trying to digest all this garbage and wants you to rest while it does that.

So you wind up bloated and gassy, lethargic, and just feeling crappy because you filled your body with useless fiber and things your body can not digest while ingesting nearly none of the nutrition you need. It's a disaster.

I also had to visit the hospital for the first non-accident, an appendectomy. Coincidence?

Man, I'm sorry to hear that. Since there's no way to prove that eating the wrong way caused it, we'll throw this one on that gigantic pile of anecdotal evidence that always seems to point in the same direction.

All the vitamins and nutrients we need are in the very thing that we were designed to eat: ANIMALS!

Just getting this on a t-shirt doesn't seem like a strong enough message. I might tattoo this on my forehead.

I've been mostly OMAD (one meal a day), which has its own separate health benefits

Fasting is almost as important as eating the right thing in the first place. Even if you're eating vegetables and fasting, you're giving your body a chance to clean itself out sometimes. But when you combine fasting with carnivore, you're now eating properly and allowing your body time to process the food, rebuild itself, and clean up afterward. At the same time, you're becoming more efficient at processing fats for fuel, which is the ideal way for the human body to fuel itself.

I can't describe how heartbreaking it is to go through life watching everyone around you suffer with obesity, illness, and depression when all they have to do is eat steak and eggs! Then, when you tell people the great news, you're treated like an outcast! It feels like I'm living in the Twilight Zone. I have the best possible news, and no one wants to hear it.

I hope more of you step up to the plate and give Carnivore a shot. I suspect there are more of you out there who are considering it, but you're not too excited about admitting that here after the reception the others have given me. I understand. But I encourage you to keep going down the path to carnivore. You may have noticed, as I have, that the only person who agrees with me so far is the only one who actually put in the work and tried it for himself. Hopefully more of you will report back with some exciting results!

For those who are interested, here is a new video from Dr Shawn Baker, the face of the carnivore movement that discusses things you must know if you're interested in eating carnivore:

Some highlights:

• Eating carnivore includes meat, fish, eggs, and dairy
• You should try it for at least three months, with one month dedicated to transitioning away from carbs and onto fats and proteins
• Most processed foods are not even food, and affect us like a recreational drug
• You may need more fluids and electrolytes than normal. Processed foods and vegetables often have added salt and make you retain water. You must replace that salt and water by drinking more than usual. You may experience diarrhea only in the beginning stages of transitioning until your body releases the extra fluids you retain and get used to the increased fat intake. That will not last.
• You will poop way less than you used to. You are not constipated. You're eating properly now so there is far less waste. This is good.
• Most people eat twice per day. Many of us eat only once at dinner.

In the video he does not mention how to transition to it. Slowly reduce the amount of carbs you eat with your meals. Eat larger amounts of meat and eggs, smaller amounts of everything else. Take about one full month to slowly transition to the point you eat at most two meals per day, preferably within 6 hours of each other.

Brett, have you ever read anything by Sally Fallon? My wife swears by much of her nutritional information. She holds a doctorate and does a lot of scholarly type work in the field of nutrition. She's considered controversial by most people in the food industry. Her book, "Nourishing Traditions" is packed with great information.

She really promotes eating meats, fats, and proteins. She isn't a true proponent of the carnivore diet, but she has ideas about grains and vegetables that require proper preparation techniques to make them acceptable to the human body.

I can't say we fully are all in on everything she says, but I know you are a guy fascinated by learning things, and I honestly think you might enjoy looking into her work. She refers to today's nutritionists as "politically correct nutritionists and diet dictocrats."

Chief Brody tried to post. I deleted it. He said I likely would. But I'll sum it up:

To paraphrase:

I don't like you, Brett, and I'd like to prove you wrong, but I've done no work of my own and I have no proof of anything, so I'll just criticize you a few times and leave a link to a random article on a random nutrition website that says carnivore probably won't work because "science."

Thanks, Chief Brody.

So many skeptics, so few willing to do the work.

Brett, have you ever read anything by Sally Fallon?

I had never heard of her, so I reviewed some of her stuff using AI. It seems she basically says to eat meat, eggs, and dairy, and if you want to eat some other stuff because you think it helps, you can if you prepare it right.

She seems to be on the right track.

She reminded me of something I've always noticed - people can not accept a simple answer to what they believe is a complex problem like human nutrition. People think our bodies are so complex that proper nutrition must be complex. But I'm always looking for what I call the simplest effective solution to any problem. In our case, eat a huge pile of fats and proteins once a day. That's it. It works flawlessly.

But people can't accept that. There's no way you can eat a big pile of beef every day and be healthy! It freaks people out. They just won't accept it. Even Joe Rogan, one of the toughest dudes ever, said he felt the best he ever did in his life on carnivore, but he was afraid to eat that way. He just couldn't trust it.

So you'll find a ton of nutritional people now who are "almost carnivore" and "mostly" eat that way. But they'll always throw in a few little things like "you need fermented foods for better digestion" or "a little fiber helps you poop better." I don't know if they just feel the need to complicate things so we perceive their expertise as valuable? I don't know.

But I do know there are examples of simple solutions all around us.

Millions of vehicles all over the world run on the exact same gasoline. You don't need custom gasoline solutions because each car is built differently or they have different genetics or they're operating under different circumstances. Gasoline for one and all. That's it.

What about cows? Cows eat grass, they poop, poop grows grass. I mean, it's that simple! There's nothing more to it.

Over the years, I've seen attitudes progress as cynics watch more and more people have success eating this way. They've gone from, "You're insane and you're gonna kill people!" to "Ok, so 'one guy' felt a little better eating steak. Doesn't prove anything!"

Now we're at the point where even the "professionals" are admitting, "Ok, it has worked flawlessly for years for thousands of people and it has even reversed a long list of diseases, but....but......but....."

...and then they throw in a few of their little custom exceptions to the rule like "ya gotta eat rhubarb for better eyesight!" or "chic peas help regulate your thyroid!" or some weird thing no one could ever prove anyhow.

Slowly migrate to a diet based on proteins and fats. Give it three months. If you run into problems after those three months, then work through it. Don't forecast gloom and doom and push yourself away from the solution out of fear. Give it a try. Then you'll know.

It's not that difficult to figure out why "powerful forces" seek to discredit this diet and dismiss it's seemingly glowing results.

Take a look at what Wiki has to say about it...Carnivore Diet

"Fad diet", "pseudoscience", etc... and then in the last paragraph the source of the bias is revealed.

"Criticism also derives from concerns about greenhouse gas emissions associated with large-scale livestock farming required to produce meats commercially, and the potential for such emissions to worsen climate change (see environmental impact of meat production).[12][14][15]".

LOL!!! This revelation alone is enough for me to give it a go.

I'm going to give this diet an honest effort. Although I'm in pretty good shape and relatively lean, I've got a few health issues like allergies and skin rashes that I'm curious to see if going carnivore has any impact on. I've been on strictly meat and eggs with just a couple of slices of wheat toast for the past four days and I can already notice that I have had a significant reduction in gas and bloating.

I'll update the thread as I go along.

On the menu for this week:

I smoked a pork loin, chuck roast, and salmon yesterday, and have the leftovers all packaged up ready for reheating in the truck. Additionally, I have 15 boiled eggs and some cubed steak fried in bacon grease.

I absolutely cannot wait for dinner!

I realize this isn't easy to do OTR , but I would still find a way. A little portable grill sealed up in a plastic bag would fit under my bunk, allowing me to grill on the road. We did it often back in those days.

It's not that difficult to figure out why "powerful forces" seek to discredit this diet and dismiss it's seemingly glowing results.

This is the key to understanding why people often vehemently oppose eating carnivore. Look around at our society and imagine how much money the food and medical industries make convincing us to eat too much of the wrong foods and keeping us in poor health.

If everyone suddenly discovered how to eat properly, it would completely wreck those industries and a long list of heads would roll when society started asking questions.

Yet, who benefits financially from spreading the truth? Almost no one! Hell, I've lost several members of this website by promoting this way of eating and haven't made a nickel from it. It sent me in the wrong direction! You wind up getting attacked from every angle. So there's a huge profit incentive for industries to promote unhealthy eating and to keep us sick, but there's almost no way to counter that by profiting from telling people to eat meat and eggs.

I have had a significant reduction in gas and bloating.

Yap, that "rot gut" thing Turtle mentioned disappears quickly when you stop eating carbs, especially veggies.

I'm going to give this diet an honest effort

I love it! Report back often and let us know how it's going. I'd love to hear about it!

On the menu for this week:

I smoked a pork loin, chuck roast, and salmon yesterday, and have the leftovers all packaged up ready for reheating in the truck. Additionally, I have 15 boiled eggs and some cubed steak fried in bacon grease.

I cooked up another pork loin and some cheeseburgers the other day. I have swordfish and cheeseburger on the menu tonight! Yesterday was my day off from eating.

The fact that I go 48 hours without eating once every week, and almost 24 hours without eating almost daily, without any loss of energy or feeling any different at all really shows how stable my health is and how well my body has adapted to burning fats for fuel by eating this way.