Knight To Get AI Netradyne Cameras

Well.looks like Terminator was right... Cyberdyne.. i mean Netradyne is taking over the world lol

Knight is getting the same AI camera Prime has. I would be interested in the "real time feedback". Primes does not allow dispatch to "teal time" watch us. It is all recorded by incident only. Does this mean dispatch can watch rhe drivers anytime?

I feel for the drivers there. Hopefully this results in large numbers of drivers choosing to leave in order to demonstrate they won't tolerate this kind of nefarious behavior.

Knight bases their bonuses of events. It's an extremely convoluted system that is extremely difficult to overcome. Knights pay structure is relatively low cpm with 8 cpm being available in bonuses. It's significant. When I was there, I frequently had 1300.00 a month or more in bonuses. At that point, it's not a bonus, it's a variable portion of your pay that the corporation is hell bent on keeping.

The problems included many things. Chief among them is the crash mitigation sensors being set dangerously high, they constantly trigger over false flags, sometimes multiple times per hour. These false readings cause triggers such as hard braking, lane departure and such. These then go against the drivers score, virtually eliminating their safety "bonus" and kicker "bonus". There's little or no room to debate it and once applied they won't reduce the score.

Another issue is that there are no objective standards on events, so that a driver can not effectively know if their following distance or braking force is going to result in lost wages or not. I detailed this in the post that blew up on here in regards to their practices.

Having the AI cams and semi driver facing is simply another means to systemically lower driver wages.

To male the argument that these are beneficial to drivers is to make the claim that under the Nazis, the trains always ran on time.

That's why when I blocked the front sensor off, it eliminated erratic braking and following distance problems etc....I was never called out on it , not knowing if those sensors ever sent a "loss of signal" message. My mentor told me he had drove like this over 2+ years without issues. I just made sure I removed the aluminum plate I used, before turning in my truck. Yes maybe I was a bad boy, but I never followed too close or sped very much out of speed limits, not to brag but I drove sensibly to avoid any problems or wrecks.

Hell driving here in Asia is even MORE need to have your head on a swivel. There is basicly NO police on the roads to worry about, no real speed or driving rules. More so the massive amount of scooters around you everywhere, your head really needs to be on more of a swivel.

They will stop and make a u turn right in front of you without any signal. Or cars, scooters, will just pull out in front of you from side streets, making YOU stop n wait for them to turn into your lane hahaha it IS totally crazy here. This is more in the cities/villages once I get down out of the mountains and hilly, windy curvy, turns. Worse when you get stuck behind dump or trash trucks overloaded and they can't even climb hills without billowing black sooty smoke....3/4s+ of the way out from home is a 2 lane narrow road, in village it's very narrow, ya gotta pull over for any big trucks coming towards you. Definitely more fun in the Philippines hahaha

That's why when I blocked the front sensor off, it eliminated erratic braking and following distance problems etc....I was never called out on it , not knowing if those sensors ever sent a "loss of signal" message. My mentor told me he had drove like this over 2+ years without issues. I just made sure I removed the aluminum plate I used, before turning in my truck. Yes maybe I was a bad boy, but I never followed too close or sped very much out of speed limits, not to brag but I drove sensibly to avoid any problems or wrecks.

Damn man. I promise you I abhor the emergency braking and front sensors in these trucks. I have been fortunate enough to have no forward facing radar now for a few years and I definitely don't miss it. That said, you are so lucky you never got into an accident with the front radar covered. You would probably be in prison right now if you had gotten into an accident and gotten caught with that covered. To newer drivers reading this, please please please do not do this. If you hate the front radar that much, just do what I did and find a company that doesn't run it in their trucks.

Not picking on you Stevo, love ya man. I just can't read this and say nothing because it can have some very bad consequences for the driver.

There's a lot of crazy information going on here. Comparing Knight, or any other company trying to improve their fleet's safety record, to the Nazis, is just over the top!

Knight is switching to Netradyne, but they are not using the inward facing camera. It is a part of the Netradyne system, but at this time, will not be incorporated to Knight's program. They have a cap covering the inward facing lens. They are also encouraging drivers who are not confident with the cap, to cover that lens with a piece of electrical tape.

The switch is because they prefer Netradyne's technology compared to their current system. They've even admitted there will be an adjustment period where they expect to have to adjust some settings due to the AI not always getting things right.

I'm not using the new system yet, but if I find them oppressing my wages, I'll be the first to let you know about it. Knee-jerk reactions are not helpful when technologies are being developed. C'mon people, learn to fight a good fight. Roll with the punches, and take your licks when you have good information and opportunity.

You are lucky you can cover the camera lens. After using this for 9 months, i can honestly say it is crap. I didnt want to jump on the hate band wagon. I wanted to experience it first hand and volunteered to be one of thr first 200 with it. It truly feels like Prime has backed away from good training and is investing in babysitting the driver rather than training the driver. As someone who took training very seriously. I am heartbroken at what I have seen at Prime. Ours has a microphone, we were told they will not be used. We have no proof for assurance. The consent form does not sitpulate this.

The adjustment period is two fold... The cameras are on a default and it takes 48 hrs from the time the camera is activated to upload the company's parameters. So say the default is 4 sec following distance but Knight wants to decrease it to 3.8 secs... the camera will be adjusted over those 2 days. Knight may change the default later to say "hey, we are getting a lot of yellow lights counted as red lights. Lets allow them to run yellow lights."

One of my problems with Prime is that the adjustments were made and we have no idea what they are until we do something. We were told there would be "correction" time in order to prevent a video. Not true. We were told that changing to the left lane to create room for someone on the shoulder would add driver stars... not true. We were also told our safety bonuses will be based on our scores... but i know for a fact the scores are not accurate.

I think every in house employee should have to go OTR for at least 2 weeks. Let them see it in action... cause they tell us what it is supposed to do and it does the opposite. For example... it isnt supposed to care about no seatbelt if in a yard going under 20mph. Yet it activated on me. It dinged my friend for "improper parking" at a rest area... cause it was a parallell park type and thought he was on a ramp. That is a new violation they added a couple months ago without telling us. There are so many "proper" things we do that get dinged and need to be disputed. Lighting a cigarette or stroling your beard? It thinks you are on thr phone. Dont wear the proper bra? It says you dont have a seatbelt on.

I am.to the point where i don't even pay attention to it. If they want to fire me go ahead. I personally do not feel it makes me safer. It annoys me and distracts me by frustration. Even making a legal u turn at a light made for trucks to do so will trigger it. Something that didnt cause it to trip last week will cause it to trip this week.

They made such a big deal about "it will prevent fatigued driving". Nope. Cover your mouth and the camera doesnt know you yawned. Cell phone? Keep.it below the dash where it isn't seen. U turn? Pull straight up... turn left.. then straight and another left.

It is a waste. IMHO it may help newbies.. but many are nervous from them which is a distraction. My next company will not have these, i assure you.

I'm so happy to have none of that garbage active. We have outward facing cameras, always a good choice but will never have an inward facing system. The trucks do have the lane departure and such but it's only active running the cruise control. I could never work for a company forcing those systems, let alone using a flawed system as a basis for effecting your income.

It annoys me and distracts me by frustration

I’m so glad you hit on this point. This is my issue with excessive safety equipment on the truck. Once the safety equipment starts getting too intrusive it actually begins to distract the driver. I’m happy my truck doesn’t have anything besides an outward facing camera—no radar, no lane departure sensors and warnings, no inward facing camera (which honestly I wouldn’t mind too much if the company is primarily using it for light coaching as needed).

How are you supposed to adequately focus on the road when you have a device constantly beeping at you and talking to you when you’re not even doing anything wrong? It brings your attention away from the road where you should be looking, to inside the cab and to the dash or the camera. Safety equipment should assist the driver, not create another obstacle the driver has to navigate around just to do their job.

I’m all about being safe but damn if all this “safety” equipment isn’t getting excessive these days.

Seriously... i have made a couple legal u turns at truck designated u turn points. It triggered. Yeah, you can dispute it... but we dont even know who is reviewing them. Safety? Dispatch? We were told the fleet manager , yet some of mine say reviewed by safety supervisor. When i disputed i got a reply "valid alert". Yeah ok.

So next time i needed a u turn, instead of using the truck turn... i drove an extra 5 miles trying to find a parking lot big enough. Total distraction cause now im looking for a lot instead of cars around me.

There indeed is some crazy interpretation going on here. No one has compared any of the mega corporations to nazis. But for those who obviously need to brush up on their reading comprehension skills, unless they were just being argumentative and misquoting, there are some folks who will attempt to overlook the obviously bad behavior of an entity and instead only herald their good items.

For new readers that aren't aware, I worked for Knight for over 3 years, so I have direct working knowledge of their pay structure, safety devices and policies and how they use said devices to limit driver pay where possible. It's a policy issue, not a person issue. Knight, notwithstanding, in my opinion is a great place to start a career at, but go in knowing what they do and why they do it.

The thing is, we have a responsibility to acknowledge what the mega carriers in conjunction with gigantic corporations are intentionally doing to drivers. There's a reason why there is so much negatively regarding them. While we Excell in combating misinformation about them, we fail in acknowledging their faults and this does a disservice to drivers. The battle for better working conditions, better pay and honorable practices by employers in this industry needs to be fought at every angle and each person can make a difference. When we accept and tolerate bad behavior and policies, we continue to get bad treatment and bad policies.

In the context of this thread, Knight, and many other carriers unequivocally use the cameras to lower compensation to drivers. It's factual. It's a primary design function of the systems. A significant portion of a drivers wages are attached to interpretation of events triggered that a driver has no control over whatsoever. There are completely subjective standards for scoring the events, and they will not produce the parameters and standards that they do use. This pattern is also applied to their fuel bonus, with the exception that they did provide some standards for that.

All of these items won't make much difference to a driver starting out, odds are, they won't be efficient and effective enough to produce enough. Where they do make a difference is after a year or so of experience where a driver starts being able to produce consistent results.

So a fleet can say they're "maintaining the safety of the fleet" all they want, but it's simply a nice way of saying, "were going to reduce driver pay even more if we can"

Thee carriers can because there's a massive driver surplus industry wide. Due in no small part to having entire generations of drivers who lack the self control and judgement to drive without devices making the decisions for them and behavior engineering by proxy through audible and visual alarms, and pay based behavior. These drivers would have been fired out of the ecosystem if the systems weren't in place. Instead they remain in place, recieve lower pay and lower the aggregate skill level and pay of the group. We need natural selection back in the industry.