Prescription Adderall

Amen!

Yawn...

There is a difference between what is OK with FMCSA (and 5 panel DOT drug tests), and what is acceptable to a company. And a company can test for whatever they want to - over and above what DOT requires.

And one can go crying all the way to their ADA specialty attorney, but a company's safety and insurance departments can decline to put someone on the road for ANY REASON THEY WANT.

It's a tired argument already - especially when ancient posts are resurrected by first time/new posters.

Rick

Like being deaf or needing a service dog?

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Perhaps if you actually could provide evidence you claim is correct?
My intention was to help with this site's stated mission. Hopefully people who s have ADHD, yet still may be great drivers see that through a few responses which seem to take issue with that goal. Old misinformation is still misinformation.

I normally don't reply to drug related questions because it's just the same thing over and over, some dude who thinks the rules don't apply to him, he's special and unique and he's going to beat the system, and hell be able to use drugs and drive, blah blah blah.

Personal feelings aside about the proliferation of ADHD diagnosis in today's world of millennials who just needed a good old fashioned dose of having their rear ends smacked by their parents instead of getting participation trophies as kids, The medication, or rather the side effects of the medication used to treat is what causes the medication to be banned and thus it bars anyone using said medication from holding a job as a cmv driver.

The cases that you pointed out are not relevant. They pertain to physical issues, not medication side effects. In other words, an applicant can have ADHD or Sudden Entitlement Syndrome, or TDS or such, it's the class 5 medications that they can't be on if they want to drive.

Not that I'm opposed to see anyone try to litigate against the federal government. But good luck suing them, they're the body that established the rules. The company is simply complying with federal regulations.

Davy, your comments about the proliferation of ADHD diagnosis is out of line IMO. I'm a lot older than you, worked my butt off much harder than most, no feelings of entitlement and actually still work hard even though I can easily retire, but got diagnosed with ADHD two years ago with testing results that were slam dunk for the doctor. The problems had gotten worse over the years and I tried Adderall but ended up on Straterra which helps a lot. I'll give an example: I would previously often head to my shop to get a particular wrench and thought about several other tasks during the five minute walk and then forgot what I was headed for. I still think about numerous things within a short period of time but have not once forgotten what I was going to fetch. Don't practice medicine if you're not trained in the field.

Davy, your comments about the proliferation of ADHD diagnosis is out of line IMO.

I completely agree. There indeed has been many more cases of ADHD diagnosed because mental health is becoming not as stigmatized. People are feeling more comfortable seeking the help, in addition to the increased information available. Most cases of ADHD is actually not bad behavior that would warrant smacking their rear. My son was diagnosed a little over a year ago. It's a night and day difference in how he's able to focus at school. We too were against medicine until we were faced with it and seen what impact it made. Over the summer unless we were going out to do something over stimulating he didn't take the medicine. Now that school has started back up he is back to taking it. If someone thinks it's a lack of parenting I don't give two ****s. We're doing what we feel is necessary to give our son the best shot at receiving a good education. While we're at it let's shame anyone who uses advil to help with headaches or pains. Depression? Suck it up and don't be sad and stuff. PTSD? Should we just tell them suck it up as well that it's just part of who they are now regardless if they're a veteran or faced childhood trauma?

Although I consider myself far different than the stereotype millennial, let's not forget it's our parents generation that force fed us these participation trophies. I was born at the tail end of 1989. I recall in 2nd grade all the way through high school them handing out participation trophies. Sounds more like the blame should be passed to the prior generation.

Several of my nephews were diagnosed with ADHD and the treatment they received was extremely effective. Before the diagnosis, their parents were at their wits end but the diagnosis gave them a clear direction to proceed in.

Just because a condition was a mystery in the past, science does occasionally get things right. And a good whipping is probably not a good long term therapy for most people.

Seems I'm never short of making some folks cranky about some things. I suppose I could sugar coat it, but the fact remains that for a long time ADHD has been over diagnosed as a substitute for effective parenting. That is a cultural change that has taken place, and unfortunately, yes, my generation is guilty, probably because we were raised as free range kids with little or no supervision, we went the opposite direction and became helicopter parents.

Is it because the testing procedure for it and medical community is more advanced, or rather is it due to the wide spread proliferation of pharmaceuticals which seem to have a habit of generating customers rather than cures.

It's certainly in the realm of possibility and plausible that the big business of pharmaceuticals are driving the exponentially sharp increase in ADHD and a great many other illnesses, and the consumers buy it.

If you were diagnosed with it and are happy with the treatment, outstanding. I'm sure there are many legitimate cases of it, just as there are many cases of coddling people who just need a good swift kick in the posterior.

I'm not really all that passionate about it, on either side, but it denotes a much larger issue in our society. Should we not say anything to anyone because we fear offending them? Life's tough, buy a helmet.

I would previously often head to my shop to get a particular wrench and thought about several other tasks during the five minute walk and then forgot what I was headed for.

Wow, really? That used to happen to you? That only happens to me 5 times a day. It happens to everyone. It's called the human condition.

Do you know what I would do if I wanted to sell a ton of pharmaceuticals, even if they do nothing for you? I would convince people that the normal human condition is, in fact, a disease that I could treat with my magic pills! First, I would make sure you're loaded up strong with expert worship:

Don't practice medicine if you're not trained in the field.

....yes, excellent, just like that. I can't have you people thinking for yourselves. Let me do the thinking for you.

Then I would convince you of the power of my medications, while wearing my brightest white lab coat, and laugh all the way to the bank as the power of the placebo effect convinces you that it works! Naturally, once you begin taking medications you'll make other positive changes to your life that will help the placebo effect work even better.

You fools and your pharmaceutical worship.

I'll bet not one of you gave an honest 6-month effort to cure yourselves, did you? How many of you instituted a strong daily routine that involved:

1) Eating a diet strongly dominated by meat and eggs while eliminating almost all carbs and sugars

2) 30-minute meditation 6 - 7 days per week

3) At least one hour of vigorous exercise 5 - 6 days per week

4) Powerful breathing techniques (Wim Hof)

5) Cold shower or ice bath 5 - 6 days per week

How many of you pharmaceutical worshipers have a high level of physical and mental fitness built on the foundation of a strong daily routine? None of you. You're too lazy to do it, and too busy worshiping false idols and doing lazy things like popping pills and putting on masks.

I've worked at a computer for over 15 years now, and yet I've remained in fantastic physical shape. I start each morning with a powerful routine.

- 20 minutes of Wim Hof breathing

- 20 minutes of yoga

- 30 minutes of meditation

- two hours of computer work

- 60 minutes of hard physical exercise, normally hiking uphill, workouts on a stair stepper, or bodyweight training

- cold shower immediately after exercise

- back to computer work for a few hours

- I spend plenty of time outside every day and try to get a lot of sunshine

- I eat only one meal each day, around 6:00 - 7:00 PM, and it's carnivore. Basically, it's a gigantic plate of meat, eggs, and fish dominated by beef. No veggies, no carbs.

I'm almost 52 years old. I'm at my perfect weight. I just returned from a 3-week trip of rock climbing in the Alps. I'm now training for ski season.

So before any of you medical-worshipers start preaching to people about health and well-being, try implementing a strong daily routine like mine for 6-months and you'll immediately realize you've believed lies your entire life about what it takes to be strong and healthy.

By the way, if you sent me to a doctor, they would 100% diagnose me as partially in the autistic spectrum and definitely ADHD. My condition is my strength, not a disease. I have fantastic focus, I'm uninterested in social acceptance for my self-respect or self-identity, and I have tons of energy but can sit still and concentrate for hours at a time. All because of a powerful, healthy routine, not medications.

I say "if" you sent me to a doctor because I haven't been to a doctor since I was a little kid. I've never had a stitch, a broken bone, a serious injury, or any illness beyond a cold my entire life. I've never been prescribed a medication. I do the exact opposite of what the government and the medical establishment tell us to do with every facet of my life.

The key to fantastic health and well-being starts with accepting that all the "science" you learned in your life was nothing more than advertisements by food and drug industries. They will make massive profits off you as long as you eat way too much of their most profitable foods and you remain mentally and physically unhealthy.

Who makes money off of you if you're super healthy mentally and physically like I am?

Who controls you when you're self-employed and making your own way through life financially without a boss or government assistance?

Wake up and take control of your life. Stop listening to "experts" who can only profit from your illness and weakness. Start doing the research, experimenting with various diets and exercise routines, and develop a strong daily routine.

Yes, I took the gloves off for this one and I didn't talk down to you like you're a sensitive little baby. That's out of respect for you, because I believe you can handle the plain-spoken truth, and because I'm an old-school kind of guy.

So, Brett, that is an amazing routine. What would your routine be if you were still doing OTR full time?

I couldn't agree more with Brett. I'm 52, still wear the same size pants I did in high school. I'm active, eat mostly meat and eggs as well, only drink water with meals, and milk. I have a workout and stretching routine that I do daily on the truck. I eat well, and live well. At 49 years old I did my first marathon.

I rarely even take advil. Especially after the plandemic and the trillion dollar Vax scam, any critical thinking person should be having a hard look at the pharmaceutical industry and drop the leash.

In regards to trucking, and the post though, it's pretty simple, the price of admission in this industry is to comply, drivers can't take certain drugs and medications. Period.

If you have a medical condition or are going to take those medications, then you're probably not going to be a driver. Not everyone gets picked for the team. Thats just life.

For what it's worth, I posted on here 7 years ago asking about whether Adderall would disqualify me. I went to ahead and had my physical. Initially, the physician (who seemed quite old-school) said he couldn't clear me. I asked why the medication would DQ me? He said that it's because it's a schedule I drug and almost the same as meth. I took a beat to think about what tone to take, but screw it, if he was about to DQ me anyway.

I told him, "No, it's actually closer to cocaine. Ritalin is the one that's structurally similar to meth. Also, it's a Schedule II drug." He argued that it's definitely Schedule I, to which I had to remind him that it's *prescribed*, so it can't be schedule I, because the description of that category is drugs consists of drugs that cannot be prescribed. If it's schedule II, it by definition has some medical benefit.

He didn't counter back and that and stayed quiet for a bit. He said that the drug might have some side effects on me. I reminded him I had been taking it for almost a year now without any negative side effects. We went back and forth a little. He eventually said he would need a note from my physician saying I haven't had any side effects that would make it dangerous to drive. I had the doctor send the letter and make a new appointment. I came back in, and they just handed me a one-year cert at the front desk. I guess he could have made a case that ADHD itself made me unfit to drive, though he honestly probably didn't want to deal with me. I imagine his main worry was protecting himself legally.

As far as that side-discussion on alternate medications, remember that there's a whole range of ADHD severities. As a teacher, I've seen and had to discussions with many students on the severity of their symptoms. For many, it's extremely severe and medication is the only thing that keeps them focused for the day. For some ADHD makes it so they can hardly hold a normal conversion and for others it's just difficult to hold longer attention spans for long tests and such.