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Captain "Cappie" K Miles's Comment
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I have access to all the information on cone placement for the driver test as well as access to a truck belonging to a veteran driver that owns a small trucking company (2 trucks him and wife) and is willing to help me get my cdl. He is the one that got me thinking about trucking. I took care of his yacht for years. So my question is...

Can I just go to dmv take exams and test out with his truck or do I have to have a certified trainer. Might seem like a stupid question but is see nothing that tells me I can't. I know I will have to study but honestly it's a cake walk compared to what I had to know for my captains exam. I already know pre trip going in. I did state inspections on trucks in Virginia for 10 years and yes you have to drive them for that so I can double clutch or float a non synchronized gearbox. VA state inspection + fluid levels and tire pressure you got a pre trip accept you don't have to jack the front to check king pin and steering linkage play on front axle not to mention I been doing pre trips on buses for 3 years. I'm just saying guys seriously in 3 weeks (the sponsored school time) what are they really going to teach me about that truck I don't already know from 10 years as a mechanic that I can't get from my friend or a book. When I'm hired I have to ride with there trainer any way to start learning the ropes and would know nothing of the business cdl school or not.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Double Clutch:

To engage and then disengage the clutch twice for every gear change.

When double clutching you will push in the clutch, take the gearshift out of gear, release the clutch, press the clutch in again, shift the gearshift into the next gear, then release the clutch.

This is done on standard transmissions which do not have synchronizers in them, like those found in almost all Class A trucks.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Old School's Comment
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Captain Miles, here's the hole in that plan. Unless your friend is also going to hire you after you get your license, this will come back and bite you in the ... err, tail.

Any carrier who is willing to hire rookie drivers, or newly licensed CDL drivers is required by their insurance carriers to have on file a training certificate showing that you have received (usually a minimum of) 160 hours of training from a recognized training school or program. What your stepping into is the astronomical liability that any trucking company is going to face in the unfortunate event that you get involved in an accident and the lawyers ask the company representative, in front of the jury, to produce the training certificate that indicates this driver had the proper training from a state approved program. When they hear that Captain Miles got his license by borrowing "Bubba's" truck because it saved him a lot of money, they are going to nail the company that was foolish enough to hire you.

I don't know any other way to put it, that is the way it works. It's sort of a game of CYA, but that's the way our judicial system works. If you want to play in the game, you've got to get in by following the ground rules, otherwise you are a liability that is too big to take on.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Captain "Cappie" K Miles's Comment
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Thanks Old school. No he is not going to hire me. Sell me his business perhaps but that would have to be years down the road and even then I'm not sure I want the headache of running a business again. The dream of trucking is not so nice when your paying fuel, repair, insurance and a million taxes every state you operate in wants. Kinda sounds more like a nightmare. However thanks for pointing that out. Just know some school bus drivers that did it that way but I guess they have post hire training to cover liability like my bus company trained me.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Barry J.'s Comment
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Back in the late 70's (damn, I must be getting old) that's how I learned to drive. They company gave me the keys and said 'go for it'. I taught myself!

But, the new DOT regulations and insurance companies do not allow that to happen. That is why I am researching school options and making a career plan with the aid of TruckingTruth. I want the correct training, and cannot afford to get 'past the test' but then not be able to get a job.

I even had the examiner tell me at the licensing office to avoid borrowing a friend's truck.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Captain "Cappie" K Miles's Comment
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Back in the late 70's (damn, I must be getting old) that's how I learned to drive. They company gave me the keys and said 'go for it'. I taught myself!

But, the new DOT regulations and insurance companies do not allow that to happen. That is why I am researching school options and making a career plan with the aid of TruckingTruth. I want the correct training, and cannot afford to get 'past the test' but then not be able to get a job.

I even had the examiner tell me at the licensing office to avoid borrowing a friend's truck.

Ya I got the message from old school. It was just a thought. I think I need to hold out and find a company school close to home and preferably home terminal close to home as well.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

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