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I believe they have to report those drug tests to other agencies. I think DAC is only one place they'll list it. I'm hoping someone else may be able to chime in on this because I'm not sure.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
I believe they have to report those drug tests to other agencies. I think DAC is only one place they'll list it. I'm hoping someone else may be able to chime in on this because I'm not sure.
After it all had happened I requested my entire background report from HireRight and from what I could tell when I looked at it there was no drug reporting history from anything other than DAC so I am hoping this will help me out. I would appreciate if anyone knows different to chime in as you said. If all is good I will start making calls and applying for other schools.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
I think there's another report from the doctors that give pre employment drug screens because trucking companies can see if you failed one before even if it wasn't for a trucking job. Ie ( say factory drug test that someone has failed)... I'm not 100% sure on that but when I went to swift they sent a guy home cuz he lied and said he never failed a drug test and they found out he did and that test wuz for a job other then a trucking job....
I think there's another report from the doctors that give pre employment drug screens because trucking companies can see if you failed one before even if it wasn't for a trucking job. Ie ( say factory drug test that someone has failed)... I'm not 100% sure on that but when I went to swift they sent a guy home cuz he lied and said he never failed a drug test and they found out he did and that test wuz for a job other then a trucking job....
The letter I received today stated "In addition, HireRight has notified any companies that requested a report on you in the last 30 days that contained the disputed information about the completion of the reinvestigation"
But as I said before, after this happened I requested that HireRight send me a copy of my background check and where it listed drug test results on the background check it said there was no information but on a separate sheet it indicated that CRST provided DAC with further details about my positive test result.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
I think there's another report from the doctors that give pre employment drug screens because trucking companies can see if you failed one before even if it wasn't for a trucking job. Ie ( say factory drug test that someone has failed)... I'm not 100% sure on that but when I went to swift they sent a guy home cuz he lied and said he never failed a drug test and they found out he did and that test wuz for a job other then a trucking job....
The letter I received today stated "In addition, HireRight has notified any companies that requested a report on you in the last 30 days that contained the disputed information about the completion of the reinvestigation"
But as I said before, after this happened I requested that HireRight send me a copy of my background check and where it listed drug test results on the background check it said there was no information but on a separate sheet it indicated that CRST provided DAC with further details about my positive test result.
And if CRST was on your DAC - any potential future employer is (likely) going to ask them about you. And if you don't list them as an employer - even though you got bounced in pre-employment/orientation - you could still have a potential issue for lying on your application.
As you were advised when this first arose - a failed drug screen is going to be tough to get around. And if you hit an employer that does hair screening - you may still come up dirty (6 month window on hair testing).
I feel for you. I was on pain meds for an auto accident for awhile. I still get the headaches - but I came off the meds earlier in the year - as I am reconsidering putting my 5 year old CDL to work, and don't want to take any chances with a failed screen - even with a doctors letter.
A hot drug screen is one of the most difficult things to overcome in this industry. Had you done the "return to duty" procedure mandated by failing a test - you would probably be only a month or two from being able to "honestly apply" for a driving position.
One of the questions on pretty much any application is going to be: "have you ever failed a screening?" Get caught lying, and you're screwed.
I believe that failed DOT screenings are also reported at the state and perhaps federal level.
Rick
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
I think there's another report from the doctors that give pre employment drug screens because trucking companies can see if you failed one before even if it wasn't for a trucking job. Ie ( say factory drug test that someone has failed)... I'm not 100% sure on that but when I went to swift they sent a guy home cuz he lied and said he never failed a drug test and they found out he did and that test wuz for a job other then a trucking job....
The letter I received today stated "In addition, HireRight has notified any companies that requested a report on you in the last 30 days that contained the disputed information about the completion of the reinvestigation"
But as I said before, after this happened I requested that HireRight send me a copy of my background check and where it listed drug test results on the background check it said there was no information but on a separate sheet it indicated that CRST provided DAC with further details about my positive test result.
And if CRST was on your DAC - any potential future employer is (likely) going to ask them about you. And if you don't list them as an employer - even though you got bounced in pre-employment/orientation - you could still have a potential issue for lying on your application.
As you were advised when this first arose - a failed drug screen is going to be tough to get around. And if you hit an employer that does hair screening - you may still come up dirty (6 month window on hair testing).
I feel for you. I was on pain meds for an auto accident for awhile. I still get the headaches - but I came off the meds earlier in the year - as I am reconsidering putting my 5 year old CDL to work, and don't want to take any chances with a failed screen - even with a doctors letter.
A hot drug screen is one of the most difficult things to overcome in this industry. Had you done the "return to duty" procedure mandated by failing a test - you would probably be only a month or two from being able to "honestly apply" for a driving position.
One of the questions on pretty much any application is going to be: "have you ever failed a screening?" Get caught lying, and you're screwed.
I believe that failed DOT screenings are also reported at the state and perhaps federal level.
Rick
But seeing as DAC is the federal reporting agency and mine was erased from my report I shouldn't have anything there now, correct?
If I were to try and apply for another school how would I go about doing so? I do know they ask if a drug screen was failed in the past, but if I mark down "YES" but there is no box for me to explain the fact that my positive results were disputed and resolved what else can I do?
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
But seeing as DAC is the federal reporting agency and mine was erased from my report I shouldn't have anything there now, correct?
If I were to try and apply for another school how would I go about doing so? I do know they ask if a drug screen was failed in the past, but if I mark down "YES" but there is no box for me to explain the fact that my positive results were disputed and resolved what else can I do?
Your RESULTS weren't disputed - and proven false. CRST simply failed to respond to the dispute on the DAC.
You didn't dispute the TEST RESULTS - just the REPORT.
Company: Your DAC shows you were with CRST. What happened? You: Failed drug screen. Company: Did you complete a SAP/Re-employment process. You: No Company: have a nice day.
DAC is not a "federal agency" - they are similar to a CONSUMER CREDIT REPORT (equifax, etc.). And they are governed by the same rules as credit reporting agencies. You can dispute anything on the report - if the reporter doesn't answer the dispute - it gets taken off. Similar to, if you had a bad mark on your credit report, disputed it and the creditor failed to respond. Doesn't mean you didn't default on your credit - just that THEY didn't respond to the dispute.
Doesn't mean you didn't drop a hot pee. Doesn't mean if a company you're applying to calls CRST, they aren't going to tell them you failed a drug screen. Getting it removed from your DAC doesn't mean the test was wrong - or you got away with it.
We did this dance, when you first got sent home. YOU DROPPED HOT. You didn't deny drug use - you just thought it would "slide by" - and it didn't. You weren't "unjustly accused", it wasn't a "false positive" - you got busted. Period - end of story.
Now you say that you weren't a stoner pothead, that it was recent and infrequent use - and we're all more than willing to believe you. But you WERE USING, and you DID DROP A HOT.
There is a mandated procedure to return to work in a "Safety Sensitive DOT Employment", and you didn't follow that procedure.
I'm not trying to be an insensitive harda$$ here - facts are facts and rules are rules.
Rick
SAP:
Substance Abuse Professional
The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
But seeing as DAC is the federal reporting agency and mine was erased from my report I shouldn't have anything there now, correct?
If I were to try and apply for another school how would I go about doing so? I do know they ask if a drug screen was failed in the past, but if I mark down "YES" but there is no box for me to explain the fact that my positive results were disputed and resolved what else can I do?
Your RESULTS weren't disputed - and proven false. CRST simply failed to respond to the dispute on the DAC.
You didn't dispute the TEST RESULTS - just the REPORT.
Company: Your DAC shows you were with CRST. What happened? You: Failed drug screen. Company: Did you complete a SAP/Re-employment process. You: No Company: have a nice day.
DAC is not a "federal agency" - they are similar to a CONSUMER CREDIT REPORT (equifax, etc.). And they are governed by the same rules as credit reporting agencies. You can dispute anything on the report - if the reporter doesn't answer the dispute - it gets taken off. Similar to, if you had a bad mark on your credit report, disputed it and the creditor failed to respond. Doesn't mean you didn't default on your credit - just that THEY didn't respond to the dispute.
Doesn't mean you didn't drop a hot pee. Doesn't mean if a company you're applying to calls CRST, they aren't going to tell them you failed a drug screen. Getting it removed from your DAC doesn't mean the test was wrong - or you got away with it.
We did this dance, when you first got sent home. YOU DROPPED HOT. You didn't deny drug use - you just thought it would "slide by" - and it didn't. You weren't "unjustly accused", it wasn't a "false positive" - you got busted. Period - end of story.
Now you say that you weren't a stoner pothead, that it was recent and infrequent use - and we're all more than willing to believe you. But you WERE USING, and you DID DROP A HOT.
There is a mandated procedure to return to work in a "Safety Sensitive DOT Employment", and you didn't follow that procedure.
I'm not trying to be an insensitive harda$$ here - facts are facts and rules are rules.
Rick
Well I never was going to call you an insensitive harda$$. You're giving me info that I need and it's the RIGHT info and that's what matters. I have no issue doing the mandatory SAP program I just need to come up with the money to do so. I also don't know exact protocol and that is why I posted the thread.
SAP:
Substance Abuse Professional
The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
When was THE VERY LAST TIME you smoked? Chances are - you will still fail a hair screening. Now - hair screenings aren't accepted as "DOT Reportable" - but they are still considered a pre-employment-screening fail - and if you fail one - you fail.
So you want to make sure you can pass ANY DRUG SCREEN - before you consider applying seriously to anyone.
While it may vary from company to company - I would consider WHO you want to go with - contact their recruiter - and BE HONEST WITH THEM.
Tell them you failed a pre-employment screen for weed with CRST - don't make excuses, or tell them you were only an "occasional smoker". Just ask what you need to do, to qualify for training/employment with them.
Drug tests don't determine how much or how often - just that you WERE - within the limitations of the test itself.
You're just going to have to "roll the dice" and see what happens.
Rick
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
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Many of you may not know my story but in December last year I went to CRST trucking school. I failed the pre-employment drug screen and was sent home about a week after taking the test. I disputed the results with HireRight and just got word today that the results have been removed from my DAC report. So I am wondering now if I would be able to get picked up by a school? The letter basically says that HireRight gave CRST 30 days to respond and they didn't so they removed it but also says that if they do respond and there are changes they will notify me by mail. What do you guys think?
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.