Anyone Heard Of Lobos Interstate Services?

You asked how much time they gave? I told them it would take weeks to understand the contract. I said that I needed a day to go over it and they mentioned they had a truck ready for me Wednesday March 2nd in the morning. I did not sign it. I left and they didn't reimbuse me. It felt as if they were trying to rush us.

The young individual next to me signed the contract in less than an hour (my estimate 30 min). I asked him if he read all of it and he said he didnt. It was scary!!!

I stopped calling Lobo hours ago fwi. I didn't send them an email about my reimbursements.

Lobos would not give me the contract prior to arriving. I asked for it. The only time it was available was on March 01 after the short orientation.

OK got it. ...and how long (duration of time) did they allow you to review it before requiring you to sign it? If you don't remember that's ok, but try to at least give us a ballpark; a few minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, etc. Also did they interrupt you during your review encouraging you to sign it. I have a good reason for asking you this.

Like I said, you really should contact the Utah Labor Commission.

You asked how much time they gave? I told them it would take weeks to understand the contract. I said that I needed a day to go over it and they mentioned they had a truck ready for me Wednesday March 2nd in the morning. I did not sign it. I left and they didn't reimbuse me. It felt as if they were trying to rush us.

The young individual next to me signed the contract in less than an hour (my estimate 30 min). I asked him if he read all of it and he said he didnt. It was scary!!!

Sorry I sent my reply while you were sending yours. I absolutely think you did the right thing by not signing it.

I did not remember everything from that encounter. After the approximately hour and a half or less orientation and overview of the company they they then asked if we could signed the contract. The younger gentleman when into the office for my understanding and approximately less than an hour later I saw a man as he signed it. He said he did and apparently when you sign it you got to sign every page of the 51 page contract. To my understanding he didn't read it at all or barely read it. While i was in the room looking it over they asked me if I had signed it to the best of my understanding.

Just an FYI they sent the contract to my phone on March 2nd in the morning. I told him that day that it would take me more time to read it through. They were okay with that and I stayed in a hotel with the younger gentleman who had just signed it. They had a truck ready for me that morning and I had missed a lot of the contract. I told them specifically what I thought about this whole deal in front of many companies staff and specifically said that this contract takes weeks to understand and go over. There was barely any overview of the whole contract and it seemed as if well let me just put it this way, they want you to sign it without even understanding what the heck it means.

On Wednesday morning I decided to leave and not decided not signed a contract. I ask to be reimbursed for my travel and they said that I had to be in Salt Lake City in the office to get reimbursed. I was outside the office and was calling them to "say hey I'm still here I'm in the parking lot can you reimburse me." From that point on I've been posting on here in calling them politely to be reimbursed and yesterday they told me that I had to remove all my comments from the site for them to do anything. I don't know how the contract got to Brett. I do have a copy of the contract downloaded so I'm not going to say much from there.

I don't know how the contract got to Brett. I do have a copy of the contract downloaded so I'm not going to say much from there.

I can confirm that I did not get the contract from Charles. We got it through other means.

G-town, I assume you've been reviewing the contract, and just from giving it a cursory look myself, I see exactly what you're getting at in your line of questioning... I'm interested to know the precise answers to these questions as well, ideally from more than one source, as they may indicate a significant breach.

I will also point out a quick detail I've already noticed: the contract specifically states that it supercedes any other written or oral agreements. I'm sure this is probably standard language in many contracts, but I've always found this to be problematic in that it allows them to say whatever they want over the phone or via email, and then not be bound by any of it.

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G-town, I assume you've been reviewing the contract, and just from giving it a cursory look myself, I see exactly what you're getting at in your line of questioning... I'm interested to know the precise answers to these questions as well, ideally from more than one source, as they may indicate a significant breach.

I will also point out a quick detail I've already noticed: the contract specifically states that it supercedes any other written or oral agreements. I'm sure this is probably standard language in many contracts, but I've always found this to be problematic in that it allows them to say whatever they want over the phone or via email, and then not be bound by any of it.

In Charles case, there is no breach because he never signed it. I applaud him for trusting his instincts. Even though he is out of pocket for his travel expenses, I believe he is far better off. And no I haven't been able to review it just yet.

I was trying to determine the following:

1)- Was he (and other students/drivers) given a chance to review the contract in advance of arriving at Lobos for orientation. At least with Charles, the answer is no. He claims that he asked at least once for it and was told he will be given a chance to review it at Lobos during orientation. Although Lobos will likely refute his claim, IMO anything short of encouraging a driver significant advance review of something this complex and extensive, in itself is highly questionable. Not illegal, but certainly unethical. They (Lobos) know most people will run from a contract of this magnitude if the individual driver applicant is given the opportunity to review in advance. Heck, I would and probably most everyone on this forum would too. I despise all forms of deception, especially when the intended target is not of the mind and/or experience to recognize it and protect themselves from damage. When I decided on Swift, I had copies of everything I was required to sign well in advance of school and orientation. If so desired, this provided ample time to have it reviewed by a lawyer. And we have all heard what a "bad" company Swift is.

2)- Was there any pressure applied to sign the contract, thus implied; signature under duress. I think there was some pressure applied, was it excessive or harassing, not sure. More importantly though a 51 page contract cannot be reviewed in 30 minutes, or even an hour by someone unfamiliar with basic contract law. All things considered, a good contract lawyer would request a day or two to review something of this scope, and only for their best clients. Ridiculous and unconscionable that Lobos would present something of this size and complexity in front of a driver with not much warning or opportunity for advance review.

I agree G-town, the reason I mentioned that was because the contract has about 3 different places where they specifically suggest that people should seek legal counsel before signing it. For example:

"Disclaimer. Lobos is not a licensed attorney and will not provide legal advice to the Company or Driver. Lobos is performing the services above at the direction of the Company and Driver. The Company and Driver acknowledge and agree that they have had the opportunity to consult with legal counsel of they (sic) choice, if any, regarding this Agreement, its subject matter, and the legal consequences of signing it, and enters into this Agreement of its own volition, having received such independent counsel it desired."

That's a good way for them to cover their rears, but it makes me wonder... If they don't in fact allow people ample opportunity to seek independent counsel, or make it difficult for them to, or pressure them in any way to sign it prior to a full and proper review, they would be going against the very spirit of their own contract at the least. At worst, if someone could somehow prove that they signed it under duress, that's the possible breach I was referring to; a breach on the part of Lobos. Granted, in this most recent case it appears they had no problem with him taking his time, but I don't know if we have the full story yet. The simple fact that people seem to be under the impression that if they don't sign it, they're going to be stranded far away from home and endure severe financial difficulties, could probably be considered "duress."

Still, if someone does go ahead and sign it freely, I don't really see any legal recourse they might have against any of the provisions in the contract (many of which seem pretty unfair... I'll get into those later). All the more reason for people to really be careful before signing anything. And all the more reason for Lobos to submit the contract before actually bringing people out there, so that people can in fact have a decent opportunity to review it. And since they apparently have a problem with doing that, they really should be willing to at least reimburse return travel expenses, since the person came on good faith, and declined based on information which was only made available to them after they arrived.

Sorry that my spelling is bad because I'm using voice command. I'm going to give a slight overview of this place that I can't even call a business.

This establishment is located in a two-story building and it does not have a sign on it. On my way there I got lost. The first floor has approximately four rooms, a conference room a study room with tables and chairs it's pretty small the kitchen and an office. Sorry there is another office. It doesn't seem anything like a truck driving school this business claims to have one. I asked the older gentleman I drove home what school was like his first day and he said there was a 20-minute orientation and the school handed him a book and he just read all day in the study room. He said there was no instruction or anything like that from the best of my knowledge.

I want to get into the upstairs which seems very shady and confusing. To the best of my knowledge the upstairs is always locked from the outside. Upstairs you have people from Lobos, Arrowhead dispatch, direct lease, and United motor cooperative. I have never been upstairs but it just seemed very odd what they were and how they were conducting business up there. There was only one person I saw with a blue shirt that said direct lease. It seemed as if they were one man company. The people I saw with red shirts were apparently Arrowhead dispatch. I was very unfamiliar with United motive cooperative and did not meet one person from that but I guess they're upstairs and liked to hide. The older gentleman who I drove home who was in the office to ask about his reimbursement which they did not give that day said he did not see any secretaries or woman up there which he spoke with over the phone. I asked him how many people he saw upstairs and he said approximately 12.

Lobos interstate services Direct lease Arrowhead dispatch United Motor Cooperative

Apparently upstairs on the 2nd floor. There are signs on the building but for "studies weekly" and "ABCs weekly"?

Good luck trying to understand this place? If you do you'll have a seven figure job on wall street in no time.

I forgot to mention that all staff there seemed to be 25 to 35 years old.

I don't have time to address each and every person that has posted here so I will just say this.

I do not see where anything that has been said here or on the phone since the major website overhaul (which cleared up a lot of outdated and unclear information) has been contradictory, hard to understand, or anything else that's been said about us. Please show me where we are being inaccurate, untrue, hiding something, etc. All I see on this thread is name calling, stating what other companies do, hugely exaggerated claims, and borderline libelous statements. If you don't want to recommend our CDL training program or our owner operator services I am perfectly fine with that. Your endorsement or lack thereof is your own business. What I do take issue with is the constant name calling and exaggerated claims with no proof or verifiable examples of any wrong doing.

I saw someone mention seeing a paystub from someone. We don't issue employee paystubs as we don't employ these drivers. We send them statements which detail the rate the truck made for each type of load, dead head, etc. as well as all of the expenses (all of them) and deductions that might be made from things like personal advances or repair costs. So unless that's what you were looking at then that's not accurate information.

We make no attempt to hide the fact that there is a contract to sign and if you are not willing to sign the contract then you will need to make your own way home. If you're not prepared to do that and you can't afford to pay your own way back then PLEASE do not come out for orientation. If you like what our website says and what we go over on the phone, and you feel all your questions were addressed then by all means come on out and we'll get you setup with our system and you can make a lot of money assuming you apply yourself and utilize wise time management. If you have doubts, if you are unsure if you want to start out as an owner operator, if you'd rather sacrifice earning potential for a steady, flat rate with a big company then please do so and do not come out. We do not want people who are going to come out without being prepared and leave once they get here. That costs us money. We also don't want people to come out and feel forced into a contract and drive with a grudge as those guys do not perform well and usually end up costing us money as well.

Regarding the reimbursement issue, please tell me who told you we would not reimburse you unless you removed your comments. If that is something that happened then that is something I will bring to the business owners' attention and make sure it gets resolved. That is not something we do and not something I will let slide. You were told you would be reimbursed up to the cost of a bus ticket for coming out here so that is what we will do.