Anyone Heard Of Lobos Interstate Services?

Mr Lobos replied,

This gentlemen was a student in the school. He never got his CDL. He was disrespectful to the school instructor and administrators on numerous occasions and was asked to leave before his driving test.

So from the original description, you can point out that specific person from 6 months ago, assuming you've had 50-100 or more students pass through your school since?

If you wander around this forum, you'll see we have had our share of whiners. They get no sympathy on Trucking Truth. Also, the description here (I haven't bothered to look up your web site) says you can get the CDL training done on a shoestring. I'm all for that, as long as you have a decent CDL test pass rate. And job assistance to boot.

It really sounds too good to be true.

Mr Lobos replied,

This gentlemen was a student in the school. He never got his CDL. He was disrespectful to the school instructor and administrators on numerous occasions and was asked to leave before his driving test.

So from the original description, you can point out that specific person from 6 months ago, assuming you've had 50-100 or more students pass through your school since?

If you wander around this forum, you'll see we have had our share of whiners. They get no sympathy on Trucking Truth. Also, the description here (I haven't bothered to look up your web site) says you can get the CDL training done on a shoestring. I'm all for that, as long as you have a decent CDL test pass rate. And job assistance to boot.

It really sounds too good to be true.

Actually, the person he was referencing just posted 6 days ago so it was pretty easy to figure out which former student it was. We keep small class sizes to maximize one-on-one time with instructors so, with it being someone that was in the school that recently it wasn't too difficult to remember him. Unfortunately we do receive students occasionally who become so disruptive, disrespectful, and/or uncooperative that we do have to cut them from the program and ask them to go back home. It's not commonplace, but it does happen. When it does these former students will typically try to start a lot of random rumors about our program on sites like this.

We do have a graduation rate of around 75% with that 25% that does not graduate typically being those who just aren't taking the program seriously. The students who come to our school with an eagerness to learn and a commitment to their career do very well in our program and tend to flourish in their jobs once they graduate.

As far as it sounding too good to be true, I can understand how one might feel that way with the word "free" floating around. However, offering the training at no cost to the student is actually mutually beneficial to both the student and their sponsoring carrier. We work with carriers who are in need of reliable, committed drivers. They are willing to cover the cost for our students because it gets them the drivers they need and they know they can count on them for at least that 6 months that the student agreed to. Many of our students even continue on with those carriers past the required 6 month period as well.

I hope this helps clear up a few things for you guys; again, if you have any questions please feel free to ask.

Ok I've finally found an honest description of what Lobos Interstate Services does:

Lobos Interstate Services helps CDL Truck drivers to become owner operators. We help to get drivers set up with their own company and their own motor carrier authority. Through our strategic partnerships, we help drivers get into a leased truck, get set up with insurance, billing and admin, and help them get on the road safely, legally and compliant. We also act as consultants with drivers to maximize their individual business profits.

Lobos, you've been quite disingenuous with us. In fact, you're shady:

• You mentioned in another thread having a "well connected partner" which was nothing more than an affiliate job board through Indeed.com that anyone can put together in 10 minutes.
• You never once mentioned anything about looking for Owner Operators
• Why is your email address a gmail address? Why isn't it associated with your website?
• Why do you keep signing up here with different accounts trying to make it look as if different people are posting about your company?

These are very shady tactics. I'm going to have to recommend publicly that people avoid this company altogether. It's incredibly rare that I do that and in fact I can't think of another time I have. But nobody ever comes here using so many blatantly shady tactics like you have. You obviously can't be trusted.

Ok I've finally found an honest description of what Lobos Interstate Services does:

Lobos Interstate Services helps CDL Truck drivers to become owner operators. We help to get drivers set up with their own company and their own motor carrier authority. Through our strategic partnerships, we help drivers get into a leased truck, get set up with insurance, billing and admin, and help them get on the road safely, legally and compliant. We also act as consultants with drivers to maximize their individual business profits.

Lobos, you've been quite disingenuous with us. In fact, you're shady:

• You mentioned in another thread having a "well connected partner" which was nothing more than an affiliate job board through Indeed.com that anyone can put together in 10 minutes.
• You never once mentioned anything about looking for Owner Operators
• Why is your email address a gmail address? Why isn't it associated with your website?
• Why do you keep signing up here with different accounts trying to make it look as if different people are posting about your company?

These are very shady tactics. I'm going to have to recommend publicly that people avoid this company altogether. It's incredibly rare that I do that and in fact I can't think of another time I have. But nobody ever comes here using so many blatantly shady tactics like you have. You obviously can't be trusted.

That is certainly your prerogative to do as a moderator of this forum, however, I would like to address the questions and points you have made here and point out that you've not done much research if that is all you've found about us. Even a cursory Google search will bring up our web page, Facebook page, and a page showing our job listings. I have also posted links to these pages here and (I believe in a different thread) given out our phone number so anyone can call in and have their questions answered. Much, if not all, of what I'm going to post here can be found on our website.

Re: the "well connected partner:" We partner with many different companies and Indeed is not the only company we work with to recruit new students and drivers. We utilize job boards, social media, and more. We also partner with other companies who recruit students and drivers so that, if we find someone who isn't a good fit for our services, we can get them some help to find somewhere that IS a good fit. We also work with companies that offer other services such as leasing, dispatching, etc. So while perhaps saying "well connected partner" may be, at worst, vague, it's not dishonest.

RE: Owner Operators: I have not mentioned Owner Operators as that is not what was being asked about in the OP. The OP asked about our CDL training program so that is what I have been primarily addressing. We do offer services for owner operators and we do look for drivers who are interested in that. We also have a CDL school where we train new drivers and we recruit CDL drivers to co-drive with owner-operators. As I said before, we offer several different services relating to the trucking industry. Just because I didn't post a list of all the services we offer does not mean that I was "hiding something."

RE: my email address: I have a gmail address because the company managers utilize Google services to handle most of their communication, organization, file sharing, etc. It's simply easier to have a gmail address to integrate with those services and handle email messages.

Re: different accounts on this forum: There are three accounts on this forum that are associated with us. One is from someone who no longer works at our company and I do not have access to. This account is mine; the other account is from someone else at Lobos who also saw this thread and responded to it.

So, I hope that clears up your questions and I sincerely hope you will do more research or perhaps call in to trucking companies that you're investigating before posting borderline libelous statements in the future.

Once again, here are links to any information you would like to find on our company and what we do. I'm also including our phone number so anyone can call in and ask questions.

Your website doesn't offer much info... If someone goes to a real company sponsored program their website is packed with info... Yours just advertise free cdl that's it... Really try again.. I smell a scam...

Your website doesn't offer much info... If someone goes to a real company sponsored program their website is packed with info... Yours just advertise free cdl that's it... Really try again.. I smell a scam...

Here is some specific information from our website and Facebook page regarding the CDL school:

School Info from Website

School Info from Facebook

Here is some information from our website about our Driver Services: Driver Services

Again, you can also call us and we'd be happy to go over any questions, give you any details you're curious about, explain anything you're unclear on, etc. You can call us at (801) 224-7947.

Also, I just noticed posts are being removed from this thread that are more favorable to us and not favorable to things the moderator said. That seems a touch shady to me...

The Trucking Truth Research Department is busy today!

www.lobosinterstate.com front page has a video. 28 seconds of inspirational music with text copy like: "Blaze your own trail", "Financial Security", and "Act Now".

* Driver services page offers help on Safety, Compliance, Permits, Registration (All of these use the phrase "We help you to"...), and Lobos Interstate promises to "consult with you over time...". There are three "Strategic Partners":
-- * Arrowhead Dispatch Services. Google got me to a single web page for Arrowhead, with a link to "apply" which connects to a page run my "nextgenmarketingsolutions.com", but the page itself does not work.
-- * United Motor Carrier Cooperative. A Google search show data that UMCC is just over one year old (28 April, 2014), with an address leading to a mailbox at a UPS store in Provo, UT. No phone number listed on the web page.
-- * DirectLease Nothing found for DirectLease in the United States.

* Class A CDL , which has a paragraph saying "We want you to get paid like an Owner Operator , making $1,000, $2,000 even $3,000 a Week! but drive like a company driver, not having to worry about all the intricate details involved with owning your own company"

* Class A CDL School: Has a phrase "At Lobos Driving Academy, we will give you the materials you need to pass the test", but that was probably unintentionally badly worded. There is a tuition assistance program, with a commitment of 6 months, tuition is quoted as $6,500.

* Contact page. Phone number and a place to send your name & message.

Overall, a very thin veneer fronting for not much, I believe.

Errol

There's really not much more I can provide. I've posted several links to information on our various services, posted our phone number for people to call in and discuss questions with us, and I've been patient with the borderline hostile tone taken by the moderators. I've yet to see someone post about how they've called and talked to us and were unsatisfied with the explanations they received.

Everyone is free to have their own opinions and state them; that is the purpose for which a forum exists after all. However, when you cherry pick which posts to keep up and which ones to remove to spin a negative perspective towards a company or individual it ceases to be an open forum and becomes something else entirely. It seems to me that it is less "Trucking Truth" and more "Moderator's Trucking Opinions."

I would encourage everyone to do their own research and call in to discuss our services with us. If, at that point, you feel it is not for you or you're not comfortable with something, you are free to not go with us. However, if you take a look at our information and, after talking with us, you feel you'd like to give us a try we'd be more than happy to help you get started.

Sites like this are great for discussion and exchanging ideas, but remember to also do your own research and feel things out for yourself. If anyone would like more information than what is provided on our website or social media pages I would encourage you to give us a call and discuss your questions and concerns with us. I am more than happy to answer any questions for you: (801) 224-7947.

Well if you're legitimately helpful then we'll find out how. If you're not, we'll find that out too. But there's a long list of questions yet and many of them I can already see have no good answers. But we're gonna give this a shot......

We partner with many different companies and Indeed is not the only company we work with to recruit new students and drivers. We utilize job boards, social media, and more

Nice try turning that around but I didn't ask you how you recruit people. You said you would find someone a job through your "well connected partners" as if you have an inside scoop on jobs. Here's your exact quote:

We are located in Lindon Ut, and have recently started up a trucking school opportunity for people who want to obtain their Class A CDL. We have been working diligently on trying to get the word out of what we offer and Craigslist is our only avenue currently. We help people get their Class A CDL based on certain criteria, they will either have to pay tuition, qualify for free tuition, or be transfered to one of our well connected partners Get Trucker Jobs to receive additional help

Well your "well connected partner" called "Get Trucker Jobs" is nothing but a job board powered by SimplyHired that anyone can setup in 10 minutes - see the bottom of this page where it says "jobs by SimplyHired" - job search.

So tell me that's not disingenuous and scammy. Explain to me how pointing people to SimplyHired is helping them in any way.

I would like to address the questions and points you have made here and point out that you've not done much research if that is all you've found about us

My research came from your website which is incredibly vague as Scott and others have been pointing out all along. That's why we're having this conversation - to figure out who you are and what you really do. For instance:

You have a school, right? No courses are listed, no prices are listed, no instructors are mentioned, no pictures of your school or yard or trucks are posted, and there's no list of major companies that hire your students. Most schools have all of this and more on their website.

So do you have your own school or do you recruit for another school?

You have a caption under one of your pictures that says "2015 Peterbilt, one of the elite trucks in our fleet, averaging over 8 MPG! "

So you have your own fleet, also? Again, I don't see any pictures of your trucks other than a generic nose of a generic Peterbilt. Where is all the information about your fleet? How many trucks? How many trailers? Where is your hiring zone? What types of freight do you haul? Don't you think people would like to know this? Any other trucking website I go to lists all this stuff and more.

So do you have your own fleet or do you recruit for other fleets and owner operators?

RE: my email address: I have a gmail address because the company managers utilize Google services to handle most of their communication, organization, file sharing, etc. It's simply easier to have a gmail address to integrate with those services and handle email messages.

I have to admit....that is a good idea. In fact, it's so good that we do the same thing. If you email me at brett@truckingtruth.com guess where I'll get it? In my gmail account. So you most certainly can have your email address associated with your website address in gmail.

Ok on your truck driving school page you have this:

Lobos Interstate Services provides a great opportunity for prospective drivers to obtain their Class A CDL! At Lobos Driving Academy, we will give you the materials you need to pass the test, and get rolling in just 2-3 weeks. Once you have passed your driving portion, we get you on the road driving with a senior driver pulling real freight and getting paid! The senior driver is going to teach you the ways of trucking and show you how to be most profitable.

So once they get their permit and it's time to start the driving portion does your school own and operate the actual trucks they'll be learning in? How many instructors do you have? How many trucks do you own for your school? Why isn't there any information about this stuff on your website?

Even a cursory Google search will bring up our web page, Facebook page, and a page showing our job listings

Right....your "job listings" - what the heck is that? You call that job listings? Every one of them says the hiring company is "Lobos Driving Academy". That's not a driving job and those aren't job listings.

One final thing - your "fleet" of truck doesn't show up on any searches we do and your school doesn't show up anywhere under the state of Utah or anything. What is the name of your trucking company so we can look up the CSA scores and such on the FMCSA website? Is your school listed as an official school with the state of Utah?

Listen, I don't think you're intentionally malicious. But what I do think is that you're basically a recruiter that is claiming to be a lot of things you're not. At the moment I see no evidence that you're running a regular school nor do I see any evidence that you have your own fleet of trucks. So I'm trying to get to the bottom of this so I know what to tell people when they ask about you

There's really not much more I can provide. I've posted several links to information on our various services, posted our phone number for people to call in and discuss questions with us, and I've been patient with the borderline hostile tone taken by the moderators. I've yet to see someone post about how they've called and talked to us and were unsatisfied with the explanations they received.

Everyone is free to have their own opinions and state them; that is the purpose for which a forum exists after all. However, when you cherry pick which posts to keep up and which ones to remove to spin a negative perspective towards a company or individual it ceases to be an open forum and becomes something else entirely. It seems to me that it is less "Trucking Truth" and more "Moderator's Trucking Opinions."

I would encourage everyone to do their own research and call in to discuss our services with us. If, at that point, you feel it is not for you or you're not comfortable with something, you are free to not go with us. However, if you take a look at our information and, after talking with us, you feel you'd like to give us a try we'd be more than happy to help you get started.

Sites like this are great for discussion and exchanging ideas, but remember to also do your own research and feel things out for yourself. If anyone would like more information than what is provided on our website or social media pages I would encourage you to give us a call and discuss your questions and concerns with us. I am more than happy to answer any questions for you: (801) 224-7947.

Check out anyone of these Company-Sponsored Training and you get all the info in one spot... With lobos you have to go to 5 websites 3 car dealers 2 mom and pop companies and dial a 1 900 number just to find out if there's a pet policy... Someone that's new to this industry shouldn't have to hunt that much for info on a program that's there to help them..... Just my opinion...